ŚHRĪ HAZARAT ʿALĪ in the Words of ŚHRĪ MĀTĀJĪ
"Viṣhṇu to Śhiva, in Islam from ʿAlī to Walī, in Christianity from Christ to His Mother, all have been named. We came to know all their names. Even after knowing the names of the flowers, no one knew where the honey was." [Variant: "From Viṣhṇu to Śhiva, as well as from Muslims to ʿAlī to Walī, from Christians to Christ to His Mother, everyone had a genealogy. The names are all known. Even after knowing the names of the flowers, the honey was not found!"]
1972-0409 Public Program (Marathi), Dhule, Maharashtra, India
"The center known as the Swādhiṣhṭhān chakra, which also controls the aortic plexus outside, is governed by a Deity, which we know very well, is Brahmadeva. And His Power is Saraswatī.
He has incarnated only once on this Earth, and you'll be surprised if I tell you who was that: is Hazarat ʿAlī. He was the son-in-law of Muhammad Sāhab."
1977-0222 Public Program, Day 1, About Different Chakras and Their Deities, Gāndhī Bhawan, Delhi University, North Campus, GC Narang Road, Timarpur, New Delhi, India
"And Hazarat ʿAlī is a very-very Great Incarnation where only once, only once, Brahmadeva has incarnated and He has incarnated as Hazarat ʿAlī.
So, these people are so great! You cannot criticize Them. They are so great: every word that They have spoken is a Mantra. Everything They have told you about this Namāz, which is nothing but Kuṇḍalinī jāgṛuti [awakening].
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Sahaja Yoga is the integration of all the Truths of Life and I can prove it to you, on the Kuṇḍalinī, that what I say is the fact -- is the fact. Unless and until you take Hazarat ʿAlī's name your Swādhiṣhṭhān chakra cannot be cured, and all the Sahaja Yogis know about it. And in the Sahaja Yogi Pūjā we have to take the name of Muhammad Sāhib again and again and that of Hazarat ʿAlī. And also we have to take the name of Jesus the Lord, who is the āśhraya [refuge, shelter] of all this world, described by Śhrī Kṛiṣhṇa in the Bhagavad Gītā -- He was the Mahāviṣhṇu."
1977-0321 Birthday Pūjā, Cowasji Jehangir Hall, 15, Madam Cama Road, Mantralaya, Fort, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India
"That day I did not tell this that Brahmadevjī has taken birth only one time in this world. Only one time. There was a reason for that. And you will get surprised on [My] saying this that was Hazarat ʿAlī, was the son-in-law of Muhammad Sāhab. That is the only Incarnation of Brahmadev in this world. One time only. This is a[n] amazing thing. [Variant: That day I told you that Śhrī Brahmadev took birth only once in this world, only once. There was a reason behind this. And you will be surprised to know that Śhrī Hazarat ʿAlī, who was the son-in-law of Prophet Muhammad, was the only Incarnation of Śhrī Brahmadev on Earth. Only once. This is remarkable.]
People will not accept this saying but you people [please] see in vibrations, then you will understand that I am not telling a lie to you. [Variant: People will not believe this but you can check on vibrations and you will realize that I'm telling the truth.]
Therefore those who have liver, etc. takalīph [problem, difficulty] or have the problem of diabetes because of this chakra, what I told you, due to imbalance, those who are rajoguṇīs [right-sided] people, that problems those [people] get, the treatment of all those problems is taking the name of Hazarat ʿAlī Sāhab. [Variant: Therefore, people who have problems with the liver or are suffering from diabetes because of imbalance, the people who are right-sided and have problems, all such problems can be cured by taking the name of Hazarat ʿAlī Sāhab.]
The problems get removed by this only. It's a matter of great surprise, but it's true [correct, right].
[If] Muslims will accept this then you will not and [if] you māniyegā [will agree (with), accept, honor] Kṛiṣhṇa, then Muslims will not accept. [We] have to be realized (pār) in the world. Though these all reside only in one body, in Virāṭ. [Variant: If Muslims accept this, you will not and if you accept Kṛiṣhṇa they will not. We need to ascend in this world. Although all such people are residing inside the body of Virāṭ.]
They are all connected. Because Hazarat ʿAlī was the son-in-law of Prophet Muhammad and Prophet Muhammad was the Incarnation of King Janaka. His sons Hasan and Husayn, who were killed in the battle of Karbalā, were no one else but Sītājī's sons Lav and Kuśh, who were later incarnated as Mahāvīr and Buddha."
1978-0201 Public Program (Hindi), Brahma kā Gyān (Knowledge of Brahma) or Mūlādhāra to Viśhuddhi, Āgñyā, and Sahasrāra, 9 Raisina Road, New Delhi, India
"Hazarat ʿAlī is also a very significant figure. Without taking His name, the left navel doesn't open. Hazarat ʿAlī. He is the same incarnation of Brahma.
Why are you arguing for no reason? These people are talking big in Tehran! I am talking about the same person they are talking about. But these fools don't know whose words they are talking about. There was immense power in that. So why argue over something? And you are quarreling among yourselves."
1979-0117 Public Program (Hindi), Day 4, Chakroṃ para Upasthita Devatā (Deities on All Chakras), Gita Mandir Hall, Bharatiya Vidyā Bhavan (3rd floor), 29, Kulapati K.M. Munshi Mārg, Chowpatty, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India
"Śhivjī doesn't incarnate. He [Brahmadeva] incarnated once, but He [Śhivjī] doesn't. And that Incarnation was equal to no Incarnation. Brahmadev incarnated once, you will be surprised, in the form of Hazarat ʿAlī.
No one could identify Them. Muslims didn't recognize Him.
Just once Brahmadeva took [an] Incarnation."
1979-0316 Public Program (Hindi), Day 7, Viśhuddhi Chakra, Śhāmiyānā, Garden, Pataudi House, 10 Ashoka Road, New Delhi, India
"When you believe in Muhammad Sāhab also, also in Nāṇak Sāhab, and in Hazarat ʿAlī also, in Fāṭimah Bi also, and in Sītājī also, also in Jesus Christ, and also in Gaṇeśhjī, then how can you sit in these small compartments of religions?"
1979-0318 Public Program (Hindi), Day 9, Sahasrāra Chakra, Śhāmiyānā, Garden, Pataudi House, 10 Ashoka Road, New Delhi, India
"Viṣhṇujī has incarnated in different forms, Śhivjī never incarnated and Brahmājī incarnated only once.
You will be surprised to know that He incarnated as Hazarat ʿAlī. You can check it if it is true or not with the help of your vibrations. If somebody gets a disease of diabetes, he has to take the name of Hazarat ʿAlī to cure it, whether you are Hindu, Muslim, or Parsi. Because His Incarnation is present on this chakra and it gets cured by taking His name only.
We have cured diabetes in Sahaja over almost a hundred percent and the doctors call it as incurable as they will not ask anyone to take Hazarat ʿAlī's name.
They don't even know about these undercurrents, they only know about this is due to the process in which our plexuses work, they see what is outside or gross or what is visible. They only know about it that is solid or gross.
With meditation, you know about your inner being.
And those gurus who know about it, they know that on our left, at the place of Swādhiṣhṭhān, we have to take the name of Hazarat ʿAlī and Fāṭimah."
1979-0322 Public Program (Hindi), Sahaja Yoga and the Subtle System, Biralā Krīṛā Keṃdra, Chowpatty, Girgaum Chowpatty, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India (other date 0321)
"And the left [right] side one has incarnated only, they say, once or twice. Once, of course, as the son-in-law of Muhammad Sāhab, just to support Him also.
[After a child says, "Hazarat ʿAlī, " and a Sahaja Yogi say, "Who was ......?":] Is ʿAlī.
And His wife, that was later on, His wife was also the same Mahālakṣhmī personified: the daughter of Nārāyaṇa [Muhammad]. She incarnated also like that."
1982-1029 Talk to Sahaja Yogis, Creation, Original Sin, and Incarnations, Manhattan, New York City, NY, U.S.A.
"Dakṣha came as ʿAlī.
[After R. D. Kulkarni say something:] He came as ʿAlī that's why you are daughter of Dakṣha."
1984-0213 Śhrī Devī Pūjā, What Is Expected of Sahaja Yogis and Where Are We, Bordi, Maharashtra, India
"Śhrī Brahmadeva incarnated, but only one or two times. Firstly as ʿAlī, the son-in-law of the Prophet Muhammad -- ʿAlī incarnated once also in India, but 'externally', I would say -- then a second time as a great Saint, but in general He does not. [Śhrī Brahmadeva S'est incarné, mais deux ou trois fois seulement: la première fois en tant qu' ʿAlī, le gendre du Prophète Mahomet (ʿAlī s'est incarné aussi en Inde mais 'extérieurement si Je puis dire), puis une deuxième fois comme un grand Saint. Mais généralement, Il ne le fait pas.]
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Otherwise they incarnated as Hasan and Husayn, the sons of Fāṭimah, daughter of Muhammad and wife of ʿAlī. [Par ailleurs, Ils se sont incarnés comme Hasan and Husayn, les fils de Fāṭimah, la fille de Mahomet et l'épouse d' ʿAlī.]"
1984-0507 Interview with Michel Sadashiva Cherney for the Sahaja Yoga Magazine in French L'Attention, Issue 4, Pages 32 to 37, Āśhram, 9, Allée Du Rocher, Le Raincy (13 kms E of Paris), Île-de-France, France
"Now this sisterly relationship existed in other Incarnations also. Like Muhammad Sāhab had a sisterly relationship ... uh-uh-uh ... with, actually, what we have to say, that: His sister as such was ʿAlī's wife, but She was born to Him as a daughter."
1985-0901 Śhrī Viṣhṇumāyā Pūjā, Southlands College, University of Roehampton, Wimbledon, London, UK
"Diabetes is the action of the right side affected by the left side, right side being vulnerable. Firstly when you think too much, pay no attention and remain in your habits, then a fear element adds to you vulnerability. Just like a hard-working man thinks too much. All his fat cells are used for the brain. The Swādhiṣhṭhāna goes into and neglects its left counterpart. The left side gets drained. You become vulnerable. At this state if some fear comes up in you and you also start feeling guilty, then you develop Diabetes.
Correction is use Hazarat ʿAlī's mantra. Source is from Swādhiṣhṭhān and Nābhī of the left. Left Nābhī gets first effected by having fear of wife or worries for her or any other family member. In addition your vulnerability at that point brings about Diabetes. Clear it by cleaning your Āgñyā chakra. Don't think so much. Go into thoughtless awareness. Put left side to right side. Take more salt so that it neutralizes the action of sugar excretion because it has got water of crystallization. Use ice on right Swādhiṣhṭhāna and Nābhī. Avoid sugar after proper tests if necessary."
1987-0227 Talk to Sahaja Yogis (Marathi and Hindi), From Pieces of Conversation with Dr. Talwar and other Sahaja Yogis Leaders, after the Śhivarātri Pūjā, Juhu, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India
"Even Muhammad Sāhab has described His son-in-law in many ways. And He is the only One, or there's another Incarnation, of Brahmadeva, who came on this Earth, ʿAlī, came on this Earth. He was the Incarnation of Brahmadeva and His another Incarnation was Sopāndev, which ... you can go to Poona [Pune], you can see the temple of Sopāndev there.
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So, we have ʿAlī and His wife Fāṭimah who incarnated on the Principle of the left Nābhī."
1988-0814 Śhrī Fāṭimah Pūjā, Saint-George (40 kms W of Lausanne), Vaud, Switzerland
[Śhrī Mātājī advices that this is the proper order to say the Deities's name in the mantras:] ......"Śhrī Hazarat Fāṭimah" ......
1989-0800 Advices on Mantras (month not sure)
"Then, you get this Swādhiṣhṭhāna.
Swādhiṣhṭhāna we have got Incarnations like uh ... ʿAlī.
[After Bābā Māmā says, "Yes":] Is one of them.
[After Bābā Māmā says, "The Incarnation":] Or uh you can say all these Nāth Pānthis and all that."
1991-040x Conversation (Discussion) with Bābā Māmā, during and after the Washing of the Lotus Feet, Cairns City, Queensland, Australia
"There's a gentleman, a Muslim gentleman, I'm happy he asked Me a very nice question about Imam Husayn Sāhab, the son of ʿAlī. The Mother was Fāṭimah Bi. He was killed in the war, where They were absolutely correct: what They said was correct, no doubt. Both the brothers were killed. And He said: "We have to fight our enemies."
It was all right for Them to know who was their enemy, because They were realized Souls. We are not. We do not know who are our enemies.
These are age-old things, also, we need not carry it on."
1992-0612 Public Program, Day 2, Royal Albert Hall, Kensington Gore, South Kensington, London SW7 2AP, UK
"Now we have before us such a great artist. His name is-s, you know, Ustād Amjad Alī Khān Sāhab.
But have you seen the word ʿAlī there?
Perhaps, you do not know that we worship ʿAlī and Fāṭimah Bi, in a Pūjā. There's a regular Pūjā for Them. Because to us They are Brahmadeva Itself [Himself]. And that's why you'll find [musicians], among these Shia people, who have got such a talent of expression."
1992-1230 Talk to Sahaja Yogis (English + Hindi), before the Evening Program (Santūr Ustād Amjad Alī Khān and family), Kalwa, Thane, Maharashtra, India
Version 1:
"In Sahaja Yoga we worship Śhrī Rāma, Muhammad Sāheb, ʿAlī, Fāṭimah, Lord Buddha, Lord Mahāvīra and other Incarnations because They are worshipful. We are nobody to judge who is greater or smaller."
Version 2:
"We Sahaja Yogis pray to Muhammad Sāheb, ʿAlī, Fāṭimah, Lord Buddha, Lord Mahāvīra because all these are worth praying to. Who are we to call Them small or not great?"
1993-0219 Śhivarātri Pūjā (Hindi), Kyukī Mānava kā Aṃtima Lakṣhya yahī hai kī Vo Śhiva Tattwa ko Prāpta Kare (The Ultimate Aim of Human Beings Is to Attain that Śhiva Tattwa), Tent, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India
"We do [worship] ʿAlī, Muhammad and all other great Souls. We worship and believe Them all. We worship Them, we believe Them all.
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Look at them: just by [unclear singing/coming here] they have become ʿAlī."
1993-0320 Meeting with Muslim Priests (Hindi), Visit, Nizamuddin Auliyā Dargah, Boali Gate Rd, Opp The Lodhi, Nizamuddin, New Delhi, India
"Thank you very much for giving us such a beautiful evening, praising Allah and ʿAlī."
1993-0516 Talk to Sahaja Yogis, Evening Program, before Dinner, Mövenpick Hotel, Balmumcu, Barbaros Blv. No:165, 34349 Beşiktaş, Istanbul, Turkey
"As you know about Her that She was the daughter of Muhammad Sāhab, and was married to ʿAlī, and She had two children, Hasan and Husayn, who were ultimately killed in Karbalāʾ by the fanatics, who were, that time, called themselves Sunnis.
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The men, as a whole, are very different type, you must understand. They are extroverts, and whatever the women care too much for, they do not. It's all right, because-s-s women and men are complementary.
Like ʿAlī was there outside working everything out, while Fāṭimah Bi in the house, home, who never went out, but He knew His source of energy: from where it was coming."
1993-0518 Śhrī Fāṭimah Pūjā, You Must Learn to Respect a Woman Who Is Chaste, Mövenpick Hotel, Balmumcu, Barbaros Blv. No:165, 34349 Beşiktaş, Istanbul, Turkey
"But in Turkey, thanks to Atatur [Atatürk], I think, that these prospered very well.
And they came to Me, and they just surrendered to Sahaja Yoga. They wanted their Realization, they got their Realization. When their guru came, he also got his Realization, and he said, "This is thing ... Sahaja Yoga which is going to transform the whole world."
They, of course, they are in a way Muslims, because born in Muslim families, and that they sing the praise of Muhammad, of ʿAlī, of Fāṭimah, of everyone. But they don't consider that the, "We are the only chosen ones."
Such beautiful people they were! They got their Realization, "What it is? What about Christ?"
He said, "Those who are not against Me, are with Me." Who are those, who are with Him?
He was hardly given three years to express Himself.
People were so blind at that time."
1993-0625 Public Program, Experience the Truth on Your Centers, Royal Albert Hall, Kensington Gore, South Kensington, London SW7 2AP, UK
"Qur'ān was not written by Muhammad Sāhab, you know that, because He did not know how to read and write. So He told about it to His friends, who also did not know how to read and write. So then, He ... the children of these .. uh-uh-uh, you should say His friends, they were educated, and after forty years after the death of Hazarat Muhammad Sāhab, you can say, the Qur'ān was written.
At that time, before that only, a big problem s-s-started.
Because you are all Shias, I am quite happy to tell you about what happened.
That Abu Bakr became the head of the Islam, Abu Bakr, and he was a fundamentalist. Actual... actually, it's ... it was Hazarat ʿAlī who had to become the head. ʿAlī: had to become. But somehow or other Abu Bakr managed, he was very ambitious man, to become the head of the Islam.
Is a history, I am telling you.
Now, when he became, he tried to uh argue with Hazarat ʿAlī. And he said that: "Whatever written in the Qur'ān is all right," and he added his own things also to it.
Now Hazarat ʿAlī, you know, had a fight with him.
I know the whole history about it. Because My father translated Qur'ān into Hindi language. So I've read Qur'ān also, quite nicely.
Now what happened, it's a history where the turning point took place.
As you know, Hazarat ʿAlī became head but later on He was killed, and His two sons were killed.
And the [youngest] wife of Muhammad Sāhab, 'Ā'ishah [bint Abi Bakr], was told [by Him] that, "You will go and fight against the truth, and you will know it when the dogs will bark."
So when she went on the other side, it's called as Ḥaw'ab, it happened, and dogs started barking, but still she didn't listen. And she went and told the other side of the people, that, "Whatever is Abu Bakr is saying is all right. You listen to Abu Bakr."
So the rift started that time.
And as you know, later on, Hasan and Husayn both were killed in Karbalāʾ.
That's how Shia and Sunni, two parties' start is.
I must say thank God you are Shias. Because Shia believe in many things which are the truth. One, they believe that you will become a Walī. You have to become a Walī.
We have Hazarat ʿAlī, who was Himself, according to our Sahaja Yoga, He was an Incarnation as Muhammad Sāhab was. We worship Muhammad Sāheb, Hazarat ʿAlī, and Fāṭimah. For us, They are much more than you know in Qur'ān, which, later on you'll find out: how They are related to India. They are very, very great Souls who came on this Earth, and because these fanatics didn't understand Them, they killed Them.
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[Receives a card with a question.] Now, he's asked Me a very nice question: [Reading:] "What is Your religion now?" To be very frank, My religion is a Universal Religion. This is the religion that Gāndhījī, Mahātmā Gāndhī preached. That we don't only respect, but we worship. We worship Muhammad Sāhab, Hazarat ʿAlī, Fāṭimah Bi, all of Them. Worship! Also, we worship Christ, we worship Moses. Also, we worship Śhrī Kṛiṣhṇa and Śhrī Rām. Because They are all flowers of the same Tree of Spirituality. At different times They came."
1993-1009 Iranian Public Program, 11301 Olympic Boulevard, Los Angeles, CA, U.S.A.
"He [Muhammad Sāhab] respected women!
Not only, He told His wife, that, "You are going to work out," ʿĀ'ishah, He told that, "you are going to work out something against the religion." And really it was wrong on her because His own daughter, as you know Her name was Fāṭimah, stood up and said that, "This, never Muhammad Sāhab has said it."
But this Abū Bakr [father-in-law, the father of ʿĀ'ishah], is a fellow who just took the platform, [laughing:] as it is, I should say, instead of His own son-in-law, Hazarata ʿAlī, who was a great realized Soul. Āṇi [and] he just completely changed uh-uh the ideas about women which Fāṭimah was going to tell.
So there were uh big wars, called Karbalāʾ, in which two children of Fāṭimah Bi were killed, Hazarata ʿAlī was also killed, and there two groups were formed, one is Shia and Sunni.
But Shias, also, don't understand that they have to respect their women, because Fāṭimah Bi Itself [Herself] was a, not only a Saint but an Incarnation, She was a Goddess."
1993-1011 Interview with Audrey Hope for the TV Talk Show 'Real Women', What Is the Hope for a Stable Society, Part 1, Century Cable Studios, 513 Wilshire Blvd, Suite 336, Santa Monica, CA, U.S.A.
"So, everything went upside down with this kind of thing, like Mister Paul coming in, and, for Qur'ān, there's a fellow called Muʿāwiyah who authorized Qur'ān. He killed three khalifas, He killed Hazarat ʿAlī, He killed his two sons, Hazarat ʿAlī's two sons, and his mother ate the liver of one of the khalifas.
Yet least, even Hitler never ate somebody's liver.
Such a horrible man like him has authorized the Qur'ān."
1994-0730 Public Program, Anantara Grand Hotel Krasnopolsky Amsterdam, Dam 9, 1012 JS Amsterdam, Netherlands
"Whatever Haz... Hazarat ʿAlī did and His sons Hasan and Husayn have done, we have to now fulfill Their promise. And here we are with all of this from all countries, who are sitting down and who all believe in ʿAlī and also Fāṭimah, Hasan, Husayn, everyone. So now, we have to spread the news that we have all to get that Realization which They have promised."
1994-1104 Conversation with Turkish Sufi Musicians (Guḍhī Pāḍavā Day), during the Evening Program, the day before Diwālī Pūjā, Istanbul, Turkey
"A... after coming to Sahaja Yoga, I've seen: Christians will adhere to Christ, Muslims will adhere to Muhammad Sāhab or to ʿAlī, and others will adhere to the conditionings from which they have come. But they don't adhere to Me! So they cannot see the integration of all this personality [these personalities] in one person.
Now, one has to know, on this point, that: you have got the light, you are enlightened. You are not an egg: you have become a bird. So, you have to give up all that is falsehood. If you are fully enlightened, you will give up automatically, you don't have to be told.
When the light is enlightened, it automatically feels responsible that it has to give light. Nobody has to tell, that, 'You please give light,' because it is light now."
1994-1105 Diwālī Pūjā (Bhāūbīj Day), Lights of Pure Compassion, Istanbul, Turkey
"There is a special relationship that exists between Saints, and it's very joy-giving. You feel you are not alone in this place: there are many others who have lived. But they could not do much because people were so ignorant.
Most of the Saints, even Muhammad Sāhab was tortured. Hazarat ʿAlī who, was a Great Incarnation, also was killed. He ... His two children from Fāṭimah also were killed. Horrible things happened to Them.
That does not mean that spiritual people do not have the protection of the Divine. But it was all done to show how these people could sacrifice Their life [lives] for Truth.
All this is done for us. All these sacrifices are going to help us.
Gradually we'll realize where They exist within our body. If They're enlightened within you, you get Their blessings. You have to have connection with Them.
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He [Śhrī Mātājī's father] was himself a realized Soul. And he had tremendous-s-s respect for Muhammad Sāhsb, for Hazarat ʿAlī, for Fāṭimah, for Hasan, Husayn.
He told ... he told Me all about Islam or how to talk to Islamic people. Because if you tell the Truth, there will be a fatwā on Me.
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1994-1112 Public Program, Day 2, Auditorium, Hotel Karim (now closed), Route Touristique Raouad, Gammarth (21 kms NE of Tunis), Tunisia
"In Sahaja Yoga, you will know who They were: who was Fāṭimah, who was Hazarat ʿAlī, who was Muhammad Sāhab. You will know everything. All the subtle side of these Great Incarnations you will know, and you will get proof. It is a tangible thing, absolutely tangible."
1994-1113 Public Talk to Tunisian Women, Hotel, Tunis, Tunisia
Version 1:
"No one wrote. Yes even Muhammad Sāhib did not write anything. He never knew how to read and write. He just narrated to forty people that he saw and felt all this. "I had this revelation and it was like this." They [the forty people] also did not know how to read and write.
So for forty years nothing was written.
There was a very stupid man, his name was ... whatever ... this was told to Me by My father. Now it is confirmed that it is true. That person was very devilish and he killed Hazarat ʿAlī and His sons, then he killed the caliph and his mother ate the liver of that Caliph. He was such a horrible man ... he was the enemy of women. He edited the Qur'ān.
Now you tell Me they say Qur'ān ... Qur'ān ... there is no authenticity of Qur'ān.
In Bible also Paul destroyed everything. At least Christians agree with it. They are Christians for namesake.
It is nice, because if you tell all this to some one they will run to kill us.
This is the history of Qur'ān for which they fight so much."
Version 2:
"Yes, Muhammad Sāhab did not write anything at all. He could not even read or write. Poor man, He told fourty people that, "This became known to Me, was a Revelation," like this and that. Those people were also illiterate.
Then for forty years nothing was written.
He was a very wicked man -- his name was Mu'āwīyya, or something like that. My father told Me about this and now this matter is well-known. That gentleman, a very wicked man, killed Hazarat ʿAlī. Killed His son. And then killed a calipha [caliph]. Then killed another calipha [caliph] and his mother ate his liver. This dirty man, hater of woman, he edited the Qur'ān.
Now what do you say?
They go around with this Qur'ān in their hands. This doesn't have any authenticity.
And even in the Bible, Paul has destroyed everything. At least the Christians believe this. They are Christians for namesake.
It's all right. Because there are so many funny things, if you tell someone, they will come to beat you.
This is the history of the Qur'ān for which they are fighting."
1994-1211 Śhrī Ādi Śhakti Pūjā (Hindi), Mahāmāyā, Mahākālī, Śhāradā Devī, Mahālakṣhmī, Jaipur, Rajasthan, India
"So, fortunately [unclear] some uh conferences of Shia, who, you know Shias who ... who worship ʿAlī. So. that's what we're going to have in Delhi."
1995-0724 Conversation with Sahaja Yogis, before, during, and after the Evening Program, Sheraton Sofia Hotel Balkan, 5, pl. Sveta Nedelya Square, Sofia, Bulgaria
"The second one [caliph] was ʿAlī, Hazarat ʿAlī, whom this fellow Muʿāwiyah killed: he killed His sons!"
1995-0918 Public Program, Moscow, Russia
"For example, they believe in Qur'ān. Simple thing is Qur'ān was never written by Muhammad Sāhab. He never knew how to read and write. Uh ... it's a fact. For forty years it was not written.
There was a fellow called Mu'āwīyya [ibn Abī Sufyān] or something like that, who killed Hazarat ʿAlī [in 661], His sons. He was the second [fourth] calipha [of al-Rāshidūn].
The first one [Abū Bakr] died very early [in 656].
Then he killed the third one [Uthmān ibn ʿAffān (Osman) in 656] also. Then he killed the fourth one, just to become himself the calipha [caliph; first caliph of the Umayyad Caliphate].
And the liver of this fourth uh calipha [caliph; Ḥamza ibn ʿAbd al-Muṭṭalib ibn Hāshim ibn ʿAbd Manāf al-Qurashī] was eaten by the mother [Hind bint 'Utbah] of this horrible fellow [in 625 during the Battle of Uhud], who hated women.
So, he puts it down in the Qur'ān, all the things against women, and people accept it because, "It's in the Qur'ān!" "
1995-1225 Christmas Pūjā, Introspection Is Very Helpful for You to Overcome These Two Hurdles (conditioning and ego) of Your Āgñyā Chakra, We Should Not React, Just Know You Are a Sahaja Yogi and a Sahaja Yoginī (The Greatest Achievement Is to Respect Your Innocence and Try to Be Simple, Innocent, Not Reacting and Keep Quiet and Peaceful), Gaṇapatīpuḷe, Maharashtra, India
"An imam is the one who is a realized Soul.
And Hazarat ʿAlī was the first who was a realized Soul, you see?"
1996-0925 Iranian Public Program, Los Angeles, CA, U.S.A.
"So this is stupidity, this was not told by ʿAlī, Hazarat ʿAlī, that you should hit yourself for anything. This is only ritualism they have [unclear to tally] to make the big uh show, that's all.
[After a gentleman say, "Mh-hm":] It has no meaning. But these people are [have] become Sahaja Yogis now! Have given up all that nonsense. In Sahaja Yoga you will discover who was Hazarat ʿAlī, who was Prophet Muhammad, who was Fāṭimah. They are not just like somebody coming up: They are ancient. And who They were you will discover."
1996-1029 Talk to Sahaja Yogis, Honesty and Money, Suite, Hotel, Cairo, Egypt
"For example, yesterday they were singing about ʿAlī: I was so very happy. Because He was an Incarnation.
And His purity people are singing now, not at that time. He was killed at that time, He was tortured. That always they do."
1997-0321 Birthday Pūjā (Hindi + English), New Delhi, India
"Uhh ... I'm very happy. The way the film was made, I'm very, very happy.
That the Muslims are, poor thing, from childhood are taught to hate everyone.
At least in Christianity they talk of love. Talk, talk, again I say. [Laughing:] Because they have had so many wars and so many nonsensical things.
Now we ... we can put forward in these films, say, for Christians we can put forward Gnostics. We can put forward in the Muslim thing how the real person was ʿAlī, how He was murdered, His wife was m..., you see, His children were murdered, and what's going on now. It's quite a bold theme which you have to put in."
1997-0822 Talk to Sahaja Yogis, after the Evening Program, the day before Śhrī Kṛiṣhṇa Pūjā, Hangar, Cabella Ligure, Alessandria, Italy
"Today the way ... today the way we see Islam, we get frightened. [Gestures to start the translation.]
Specially, these are the days of your marty[rdo]m.
And I know about it, everything, what had happened to Hasan and Husayn. You all have done lot of penance for Them, and are still doing it. But now the time has come for all of you to know that Their sacrifice, Their kurbānī, has been completely fulfilled. After all, what did They want? They wanted whatever Their father, ʿAlī, wanted Them to do, also Their mother Fāṭimah. But we don't know, 'Who They were? What Incarnations They were? What was Their job?'
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None of these people came on this Earth to create different groups, none of Them.
It was arf ... unfortunate that the Sunnis came up afterwards, and they never understood ʿAlī. According to Sahaja Yoga, ʿAlī was a very Great Incarnation.
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We should understand why Muhammad Sāhab and ʿAlī worked so hard for us. What was so? What was so precious about us? They just not care for our mātam [mourning, lamentation, remembrance] but They wanted to make your life shine like a diamond, to make you Agents of the Divine so that you can transform people.
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This is the experience you must have. I have to tell you the truth. This experience must be felt on your fingertips. And these fingers do not ... dunote [denote] as shown there, the different centers we have. This should happen tonight, tonight, by the grace of Muhammad Sāhab and ʿAlī. I am Their Agent, you can call Me. And that is what is My job: is to give you all you Self-realization.
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According to Sahaj Yog, ʿAlī was an Incarnation on the second center.
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Hazarat ʿAlī is the One who is the Incarnation of a Creator, who created the whole universe.
N... now this truth can be proved! This truth can be proved! How? If you are a self-realized person, and your hands are speaking, then if you ask a question, 'Was ʿAlī, Hazarat ʿAlī, was the One who created all this universe?', you start getting tremendous Cool Breeze.
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But now you will know why Muhammad Sāhab and Hazarat ʿAlī came. For what purpose? To let you know what you are."
2000-0528 Persian Public Program, Iman Cultural Center, Los Angeles, CA, U.S.A.
"Brahmadeva represents that aspect of God Almighty which manifests as the Creator of both the subtle side (esthetics), and of the gross side of material creation. Brahmadeva looks like an ascetic, a saintly personality, with a beard and mustache. He has four heads and all the hair on His heads is tied up in a top-knot. His body is thin with His most prominent feature being bulging and very large eyes. Brahmadeva rarely incarnates but He has incarnated once as Hazarat ʿAlī, husband of Fāṭimah and son-in-law of Muhammad Sāhib. Some ancient Sages tried to explain the meaning of His four heads as the expression of creation into four Vedas. The meaning of His heads is much wider and deeper, though. Brahmadeva is the symbol of the Creative Power of the Supreme, the Īśhwara, Brahma, God. This creative power is expressed through the plane of matter in this universe. All material things have three dimensions but there is a fourth dimension which only human beings can see and feel. This fourth dimension is the esthetic dimension created by balanced harmonies and the integration of different textures, forms and lines. Animals have no sense of beauty; only human beings can feel the esthetics of a composition of different colors, or the movement of lines and the melting of forms. The feelings of joy acquired through this esthetic sense create a Rasa (a secretion of the essence or juice of a feeling). This Rasa gives one a stimulative feeling that sets in motion waves of esthetic joy within the Inner Self. These joys are of different frequencies and vibrations. One does not need to dissect them but as I look at the different petals of this chakra, I shall try to explain the kinds of joys present in the realm of creativity expressed through divine enlightenment."
The Book of Ādi Śhakti, Chapter 13: Swādhiṣhṭhān Chakra
"Muslims who are not educated enough to understand Qur'ān in original believe that they are the soldiers of Jihād which is led by some very clever ego-oriented educated people. They have not even read the Qur'ān which was edited forty years after the death of Muhammad Sāhib. The editor himself was the most cruel man, who killed Hazarat ʿAlī, His two sons and two other Khalifas. It is said that the mother of this fifth Khalifa ate the raw liver of the fourth Khalifa. In this Jihād, how many Muslims are going to die? On one side they produce more children to create a Muslim majority and on the other side they are getting killed in thousands. The Jihād has become imminent and the Muslims are a real threat to peace and progress of every country they live in."
1995-0929 Meta Modern Era, Chapter 6: Religions
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