ŚHRĪ SOCRATES in the Words of ŚHRĪ MĀTĀJĪ

"But in some people that stability has to be brought about. No problem. You have obtained that thing, you recognized it, you reached there and there is a complete arrangement for bringing stability.
As soon as that stability is achieved, in Absolute Peace and Joy, you achieve that Witness State described by Śhrī Kṛiṣhṇa, by Jesus, by all the Scriptures whether by Zoroaster, Socrates, Confucius or any of Dattātreya's Incarnations.
Till today, these people who were of a higher state, who would take birth in a higher state, would talk in a manner that others were unable to understand. They could see matters of the tenth floor and others would remain on the first floor and they would just not understand what was being talked about."
1975-1222 Public Program (Hindi), Day 1, Prabhu ke Prem kā Anubhav (Experiences of Lord's Love), Gita Mandir Hall, Bharatiya Vidyā Bhavan (3rd floor), 29, Kulapati K.M. Munshi Mārg, Chowpatty, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

"It has been since ages, one simple question: "How to reach the Infinite through this finite mind, through this rationality, which God has given us?" This is the eternal problem which has been there from the times of Socrates, Confucius. Kant, Hegel, all these great philosophers have been only asking this question in all their findings and search: "How to reach the Infinite through this finite?" "
1976-0319 Talk to Sahaja Yogis, It Is a Spontaneous Growth of Your Being into that Infinite Realm of God's Grace and The Articulation of Your Personality, Seminar, Day 1, Session 2 (evening), Cowasji Jehangir Hall, 15, Madam Cama Rd, Mantralaya, Fort, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

"Otherwise, so far, you see, anywhere, great men were born.
Socrates see: just, what happened to [Him]? And what did He do? I mean, just think of it! He did not do anything wrong!
Galileo, anybody!
Because never Truth was accepted by people who were not realized! They cannot, because they do not have that power to bear the Truth."
1977-0701 Guru Pūjā (Guru Pūrṇimā Day) (first more formal Pūjā in the West), Self-realization, Living Room, Gavin Brown's Geological Institute (Terrace House), 160 North Gower Street, 2nd Floor, Euston, London, UK

"Now we have got Ten Dharmas within us which we have to keep all right. These are the main Ten Commandments.
These Ten Commandments we have to look after, and these are looked after by the people who are these, the Primordial Masters, as you call Them Incarnations Divinely: like Rāja Janaka, like Moses, like Socrates, like Nāṇaka, the last one was the Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth. This is the Principle is there, is the Primordial Master."
1978-1015 Talk to Sahaja Yogis, Zen and Void, Part 1, First Western Seminar, Day 2, Session 2 (during and after tea and coffee), Conference Center, East Hampstead Park (near Workingham, 60 kms W of London), UK

"Any Saint, you can say, Kabīra Dās or it bring say Nāṇaka, any Saint you ... you read, uh Khalil Gibran or any Saint, whosoever has lived, you ask him, 'How do you do it? How it is?', he said [will say], 'I cannot say. You see, I've become dumb.'
How do you ask a dumb person what is the taste of the mhh jaggery [made from sugarcane and date palm] or of the's sugar? How can a dumb person say?
'I've become dumb.'
Because the thing is, it's a happening! It happens within you. You cannot describe it. But it just happens within you, you can see it happen.
This is the breakthrough which was historically, was described from the time of Socrates it started. He said that, "You have to become."
Everyone has said!
And today the time has come: is to happen."
1978-1030 Public Program, Sahaja Yoga as a Hypothesis, Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK (very likely)

"Not only that, everything that is written in our Scriptures, not only in Hindu Scriptures but the Scriptures of the whole world, about things even those written by Lao Tze, by Socrates, whatever is written, because They all stood for the Truth and the same Truth. There are no two truths."
1979-0114 Public Program (Hindi), Day 1, Satya kā Anveṣhaṇa (Exploration of Truth), Biralā Krīṛā Keṃdra, Chowpatty, Girgaum Chowpatty, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

"After that there is Nābhī center. For Nābhī center you know that whatever has happened in the evolution from fish to human being, everything has happened here.
For helping in it many Big Gurus have Incarnated inside us, whom you know from Socrates to Confucius, Moses, Rāja Janak, Muhammad Sāhab, Nāṇak Sāhab, Kabīr, all these Big Gurus, all of Them have worked hard on it and made dharma of human beings. It is the dharma of human beings inside, in the stomach, not outside.
Like dharma of this gold is that it does not get spoiled, it is untarnishable.
In the same way Ten Dharma[s] of human beings are formed inside the stomach."
1979-0312 Public Program (Hindi), Day 3, Session 2 (evening), Mūlādhāra Chakra or Realization of Divine and Spirit, New Delhi, India

"So the dharma that has been established in us by God Almighty because if we want to go to the Kingdom of God, then in our freedom we must desire to get to God. If someone tries to pressurize us and says, 'You must ask for God,' then it is of no use, it is not an evaluation. That is why to reach in this state, a person has to seek the God as per his own independent sweet will and not due to any pressure, or any disease or any hardships or any sorrow, but only because of the fact and realizing that, 'It is the only motive of our life to seek God.'
That is why, when we desire for this Divine Gift, then the doors of God Almighty's Divine Blessings open for you, and around the center is a place of Ten Primordial Gurus. These are the Main Gurus which are the Incarnation[s] of Śhri Dattātreya. They are: Socrates, Moses, Muhammad Sāhab, Guru Nāṇak, Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth, and Zoroaster. They are all Incarnation[s] of one Incarnation."
1979-0322 Public Program (Hindi), Sahaja Yoga and the Subtle System, Biralā Krīṛā Keṃdra, Chowpatty, Girgaum Chowpatty, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India (other date 0321)

"Or Greeks can ask: 'Was Socrates an Incarnation of Primordial Master?'
His birthday was celebrated the other day. And that day I was so very happy, you don't know, and it was extremely hot weather. Then I said ... I said, "All right, have any drops from flowers to the leaves," and they said, "Today is His birthday." And I was so happy today, all the time.
'Was He the Incarnation of our sustainance [sustenance]?' 'And is He within us?'
He looks after our sustainance [sustenance].
He was not the property of Greeks, He was everybody's property which is within us, on this green Void, as you call it. He exists there.
Ask such questions: these can be answered only on vibratory awareness.
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They ... they want to, you see, even the Christ, even Christ, they don't think much of Him, they never thought much of Him. Now, I don't know what, they think because He's no more! What did you think of Him? You see, not one educated person went to Him, not one!
[After 10 seconds:] As a person they don't think much of Socrates, now what to do?
Every word that Socrates has said is Absolute Truth.
And these are the human beings who, who are evaluating Him! What is your measure?
And then they crucified Christ, very nicely, thinking that they have done the greatest ... job."
1979-0524 Public Program, Seeking and Rationality, Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

"Now, it is being said, not only by Me! What I say I have a complete historical background. You can go to Socrates and you can come up to Christ, everywhere you will find what I say is written down there.
I do not have to quarrel with Them at all: They are My own, They are with Me.
But I am here to convince you that whatever They have said is the Truth. Not by preaching about it, not by brainwashing, not by writing books about it, but by giving you the experience of your be-ing, actualizing it, what They have said, that, "There is a Spirit within us and we have to be born of the Spirit." And what is that Spirit is, and how do we become that, that is what we are going to experience."
1979-0531 Public Program, Hall in City Center, Birmingham, UK

"Whatever I'm saying, whatever I'm explaining, has been explained right from Socrates, Christ, Muhammad Sāhab, all of Them have said this.
And I would request you to be humble about it, and take your gift which is for you."
1979-0625 Public Program, Seeking the Life Beyond, Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

"Only in the human stage, it is said that, "You will become aware of it." Is said in all the Scriptures: like Qur'ān, like Bible, like Vedas, like uh Gītā which is a part of Veda, you can say. Also, Great Sages, all over the world, right from Moses, Abraham, Socrates, Lao Tze, in India, Janaka, Nāṇaka, Vasiṣhṭha, later on, people like, we can say, in the history, about sixth century, we had a very Great Saint or a great personality or an Incarnation like Śhaṅkarāchārya, all these people have been talking about your Second Birth. That you are to be born-again.
Unless and until you are born-again, you are not a Christian, you are not a Hindu, you are not a Muslim.
Keep it one name. There are ten names, to one thing, for twice-born."
1979-1203 Public Program, Session 1 (morning), Realization Is Not of the Intellect, Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

"We have some very big Sahaja Yogis in India, you know that, of a very great height.
The other day I received a letter from one of them, so I was amazed! The way he has .. he's expressing himself, most amazed at it! He was talking just like Socrates is-ss."
1980-0410 Public Program, Christ Is Symbolized as An Egg (The Egg and Rebirth), Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

"Apart from that, there is [a] third type of Incarnations which worked [pointing to the Void on the Chakra Chart:] in this gap: to sustain us. These are Ten Pri... Primordial Masters, the Ādi Guru. These people incarnated on this Earth to give us our sustainance [sustenance], our religion as they call it. They gave us those Ten Religions or sustainance [sustenance] which is important for a human being.
This Principle of Primordial Master incarnated as Abraham, as Moses, as Muhammad Sāhab, as Janaka, as Nāṇaka, and recently, till recently, the One who is no more a now, is Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth.
[During the translation helps with the enumeration:] Muh... mhh. Socrates. Nāṇaka.
Yes.
Now, these people are Incarnation[s] of the one Principle, that is Primordial Master.
The energy or the power with which They work[ed] is either a sister or a daughter: is a very pure relationships.
If you read Their teachings you will find [that] They are saying the same things. Because They were worried about our sustainance [sustenance]."
1980-0419 Public Program, Day 4, Spiritual Evolution of Man, Paris, France

"For example, we can say the gree... green thing is the one that represents the water, water element. This center the ... in the stomach is the water element within us. It is called as Nābhī chakra, and around it is called as the Bhavasāgara, you can say the Void, or you can say the Gap, or whatever you may say, the whole world as such, within us. So, the people who were born on this center, around this center, were born out of water element.
In this Bhavasāgara – oc... Bhavasāgara means the ocean of this world – were born, through this ocean of the world, were born all the Primordial Masters, one after another. We can say Abraham, Moses, we had Janaka, were Ādināth [Ṛiṣhabhadeva, first Tīrthaṅkara in Jainism], and Socrates, and so many others like that, Nāṇaka, and also very recently, we had about hundred years back, a very great Saint born in India known as Sāī Nāth.
They all represent the same element that is the water element. Being responsible or being born out of that, They are anxious to maintain water element as the one which is within us for sustaining ourselves. We su... we are sustained by water, so They help us to sustain ourselves. They are the sustainers: They tell us how to sustain us as a human being.
And all of Them have tried to establish religion within us.
A religion doesn't mean outside, but the religion as a man: means the capacity of a man, or you can say the quality of a man. What a human being should be like, what is the way to know if he is a human being or not, which is described in al... in the Ten Commandments."
1980-0421 Public Program, What Is Second Birth, Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

"But in the history of spirituality all over the world, we find there has been great contributions by people, who otherwise were very wise, very intelligent, and extremely generous people. They could not have been false. They could not have lied to us.
For example let us take the case of Socrates. Socrates has told us that: 'We have to leave our body for the second life and that when we live on this world, when we live as human beings on this Earth, we have to keep ourselves in such a way that we do not spoil our being. That we have a sustainance [sustenance] within us, a quality that makes us human beings, by which we can be called as human beings.'
What is the difference between human beings and animals?
As so many others also have said the same thing: 'That we are human beings, because we are human beings we have to maintain a certain amount of sustainance [sustenance].'
After Socrates we had people like Abraham and Moses, They also said the same thing! There isn't much difference in what They said and Socrates had said.
Socrates had said one a ... one more thing: 'That there are Deities within us, and we have to look after those Deities. We have to keep Them pleased.'
Moses, when He found Ten Commandments, actually He found those Ten Methods by which He was telling us, that, 'We should be able to keep our existence as human being[s],' by following those Ten Commandments.
Sustainance [sustenance] means the one we sustain within us. In Sanskrit knowl... language it is called as dharma. "Dhārayati [yena] sa dharmaḥ" [related to Mahābhārata 12.110.11]: the one which sustain[s] within ourselves.
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To normalize you, all these Great Saints were born on this Earth, in this Void of the Big Primordial Being. And they exist within us, though they are not awakened as yet.
We have had mainly Ten of Them. In India, we can call Them, from a very long time, as Ādināth, who was thousands of year[s] back. I have told you Socrates, Moses, Abraham, then Rāja Janaka. Then we had, later on, Muhammad Sāhab, then Nāṇaka. Then the last, one of Them, was Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth. He was another Primordial Master, a great man.
They are the Incarnations of the One Personality! They said the same thing and same thing and same thing: how to sustain yourself. Their job was not to give you Realization, but to sustain you: to make you capable of your Realization, to make you a proper recipient of God's blessings as realized Souls.
If the pot is not all right, if it has all the holes in it, what's the use of pouring Ganges into it?
So They clogged all the points, and said that, "This should not be done."
But as we have made mess of everything, we have made mess of Them also. All of us! Whether you are English, Indians or this thing doesn't matter. Whether you are Christians, Muslims or a Sikh or anything doesn't matter. All of us have made a mess of Them by just disobeying. We have really disobeyed Them, because we have a freedom to disobey. We have molded Them as we liked!"
1980-0613 Public Program, Something within Us which Makes Us Seek Something Beyond, Stratford, East London, London, UK

"Then some people are, of course, there are some people who know about these things and also they work out Kuṇḍalinī.
But for example, now you will be amazed, here fifty percent people are here sitting who can raise the Kuṇḍalinī, who are realized Souls. Fifty percent people are here in this hall! So, it can work out.
So far, you see, those who are in the market, I should [laughing:] say, I have not seen even one who has been, but those who are hiding themselves are realized Souls, lots of them are there. And the ... they came to see Me and I went to see them and ... I mean we are in one unison. And their idea about people is very funny and they think that you people will harm them. And you'll never listen to them because you like circus and you like all artificial things and you have always crucified people who have been truthful, you have always uh murdered them, you have always given them poison, like Socrates or Muhammad Sāhab, so they are literally frightened of coming down. And the ... they have told Me, "Mother that You work for twelve years then [laughing:] we'll come down." Now already ten years I've worked, so in two years later, I hope, they are willing to come down.
They have ... some of them have lost their limbs and suffering quite a lot. It has been a very sad thing.
But do, people do go to them, see them, and sometimes one ... once in a year they meet people."
1980-0715 Public Program, What We Are Wanting Is the Reality, Cambridge, UK

"These Statutes were given by all the Gurus: take Them from Socrates onward, Moses, Abraham, Dattātreya, Janaka, up to, say, Nāṇaka, Muhammad Sāhab, and take up to the point where it was only about hin ... hundred years back, you can say, at the most, was Sāī Nāth.
All of Them have said that: "You have to lead a moral life." None of Them have said that, 'You do not get married,' that, 'You do not talk to your wife,' that, 'You have no relationship with your wife.' All this is nonsensical! "Lead a moral life." "
1980-0727 Guru Pūjā (Guru Pūrṇimā Day), Statutes of the Lord (You Do Not Harm Anyone, The Testimony of the Truth, Develop Detachment, Lead a Moral Life) and Promise that You Will Be a Guru Worthy of Your Mother (Today I Authorize You to Be the Gurus and You Have a Very Supreme Guru), Temple of All Faiths (now demolished, 11c Pond St), Belsize Park, Hampstead, London, UK

"Now, all the Gurus, all the Gurus who came, say from ... we can start from Socrates, then Abraham, Moses, this is the Guru Tattwa, is the Principle of Master, Primordial Masters. The Principle is born again and again.
In India we can say the Ādināth [Ṛiṣhabhadeva, first Tīrthaṅkara in Jainism], we had one Ādināth, the Guru long time back. Then we had Dattātreya, we had uh Janaka, Nāṇaka, Sāī Nāth.
We had in the Middle East Muhammad Sāhab, Lao Tze in China, Confucius.
All these Great Principles of Gurus who were born, They had one job to do is to establish your dharma. Their job was not to give you Realization.
You must understand: everyone has one's own job.
See, Mine is a horrible job [laughing:] because I have to do everybody's jobs.
But Their job was just to establish your dharma. They came at that time in those places where it was needed the most.
So, these Ten Principles, as I told you, They established [dharma].
They are created in the Void.
As you see here the Void part, this part is made out of the water element. So, whatever miracles They did, had something to do with water, like They could create water anywhere They wanted to. They would not cure people. All of Them have created water in the desert or in the places where ... like in ... Nāṇaka has created a Pan̄jā Sāhab they call it, or everywhere They have been able to create water. Whatever They touched, They could create water out of it.
Water is the life, life force which sustains us. Without water we cannot live! The is the sustainance [sustenance].
But, They actually are symbolized in an ocean, in the ocean, because They give us the salt, the salt of life, which gives us the sustainance [sustenance]. If you see the salt, if we do not have salt in our body, we'll have no sustainance [sustenance]."
1980-0728 Public Program, The Principle of Guru (Moderation Is the Way We Really Solve the Problem and The Innocence Is in the Center), Sea is the Guru (The Sea Is to Be Worshiped and So Much to Learn from the Sea) and Your Dharma Is the Way Your Attention Is (Dharma Is Balancing), Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

"Everything that has happened before has to be proved today. Everything that is said about sustainance [sustenance] and all that is to be proved today: Moses has to be proved, Socrates has to be proved, Abraham has to be proved, everyone has to be proved.
But this is not necessary. Why should anybody prove Them‽
Only in Realization you yourself you have to accept, [laughing:] because without taking Their names the Kuṇḍalinī won't rise. They are true to Kuṇḍalinī: She proves. She proves it to you, that They all were absolutely true people and They wanted you to receive Their Truth."
1980-1020 Public Program, The Way of Kuṇḍalinī, Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

"This is the story of Great Incarnations on this Earth.
There are so many of Them who were born, I have no time to tell you, but Socrates was the same. His disciple was one of these two. Abraham, Moses, who are propagating Jews."
1981-0207 Public Program, Day 3, Introduction to Nābhī and Void, Mavlankar Hall, Constitution Club of India, Vithal Bhai Patel House, Rafi Mārg, Sansad Mārg Area, Behind Reserve Bank of India, New Delhi, India

"And these Ten Sustainances [Sustenances] are represented by Great Prophets. The Principle is called as Ādi Guru, in Sanskrit language, the Primordial Master. He had incarnated on this Earth as Abraham, Moses, as Lao Tze, as Confucius, as Socrates. Recently, He has been as Sāī Nāth of Śhirḍī, not the other fellow, and other great people have been like Nāṇaka, Janaka.
All these Great Saints can ... came on this Earth to tell us: how to keep in the center, how to keep our sustenance, how to be human beings.
As carbon has got four valances, we too have got ten valances. We have to maintain those ten valances within us! That's what they came to tell us."
1981-0325 Public Program, Cycle 1, Day 2, Mūlādhāra and Swādhiṣhṭhāna Chakras, Maccabean Hall, 146, Darlinghurst Road, Darlinghurst (eastern suburb of Sydney), New South Wales, Australia

"Moses, Abraham, Confucius, Socrates, Muhammad, Nāṇak, Janak, Lao Tze, these are the Primordial Masters, the Principle of Primordial Masters, the Ādi Gurus, who incarnated on this Earth to teach us how to keep our sustainance [sustenance]. They taught against all alcohols and strong things."
1981-0402 Public Program, Day 1, The Pure Power of Desire or Aim of Seeking, Royal Exhibition Building, Carlton Gardens, 9 Nicholson Street, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

"Now, two persons are really to be followed in this.
One of them is Śhrī Rām. Śhrī Rām resides on the right Heart and is the Father. He is the Father and He is the Fatherhood. He is the One who came on this Earth to teach us how to be a father as a king. He is a father king, He is a benevolent king, which was described [by Socrates] before uh Plato. He is the Benevolent King. He was the ideal who came on this Earth to teach us: 'How to be responsible to others, how to respect others, how to understand the feelings of others.' To such an extent He went, that He had to sacrifice His own wife for the sake of His own state. He did that! And He had to ask His wife, who was pregnant, to go and live with a very great Sage. One may say that, 'What was He ... what was He doing about His wife?' She was the Goddess. She was so remarkable that He was not bothered about Her. He was so sure of Her Powers that He did it! And there is nothing wrong in leaving things to the Goddess to do, instead of meddling with Her all the time. But this gentleman, Śhrī Rāma, understood the responsibility of a king. And that responsibility is lacking in us: that responsibility towards ourselves and towards others."
1981-0518 Public Program, The Right Side, Sense of Responsibility (You Have to Be Alert and Active, Responsible and Respectable, Decide that Every Moment and Movement of Your Life You Are Going to Feel Responsible as Hanumāna Does and I Have to Be Responsible from My Heart) and I Want You to Be Really Honored in the Kingdom of God as Great Sons of Your Mother (I Want You to Have Your Due: All the Heralds and All the Glory), Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

"I'll tell you one example, a simple example. There was a gentleman from Iran, he was a doctor, he came to see Me. I mean, it is now we cannot contact him because he's in Iran. But he came to see, Me he was a Muslim. And I told him that: "Muhammad Sāhab was born as Nāṇak Sāhab in India." He could not believe it. He said, "How can it be?"
Though Nāṇak Sāhab had said it, in a way, because Nāṇak Sāhab was sleeping, and somebody told Him that, "You are placing Your Feet towards Mecca." He said, "All right, I'll turn My Fee... Feet to's other side," and the Mecca came that side.
He said, "I can't believe it! I can't believe it." I [he] said, "But Muhammad Sāhab has said that He is the last." I said, "I'm not sure of that, but maybe He must have decided to come back, the way people are."
He could not believe it! And he had stomach cancer, which is caused by one of the reasons is fanaticism.
I told him, "You have to believe in Him. He was one of the Incarnations of the Primordial Master and He was the same, Abraham was the same, Moses was the same, Socrates was the same, and you have to believe it." He said, "I can't believe it." I said, "I can't cure you."
Then he went back and he was very sick. His wife said, "Now, what is there? After all, you see, we became Muslims because our parents were Muslims. And they told us that, 'Muhammad Sāhab was the last.' After all you are to be saved."
Then he came and he said, "All right, Mother, whatever You say, I'm going to say." I said, "Now you pray to Nāṇak Sāhab, instead of Muhammad Sāhab, because it is Muhammad Sāhab who is angry with you."
He got cured. He's still living. He got cured.
Is so simple. We can't believe it: it is so fantastic. It is worth seeing yourself with your own eyes."
1981-0814 Public Program, The Scientific Viewpoint, Quaker Meeting House, 40 Bull Street, Birmingham B4 6AF, West Midlands, UK

"[Pointing down from Viśhuddhi chakra to Nābhī chakra on the Chakra Chart:] The connection is that this seeking [slowly makes three and a half clockwise circles inside the Void around the Nābhī chakra on the Chakra Chart:] goes in developing and there are Ten Principles which are described as the Ten Commandments, you can say, or we have got Ten Sūtras is, in Sanskrit language they are called as Ten Sūtras.
Gāndhījī [laughing:] put one more, by saying that, 'We should use only Indian ... Indian things, not foreign things, because then they will dominate us.' So he put ekādeśha [ekādaśha=eleven], he put one more.
But there are Ten, which are here, which are described as [the] Ten Commandments in the Bible.
And [doing a clockwise bandhan from right top to bottom and to left top inside the Void on the Chakra Chart:] these are the Ten Primordial Masters who were born on this Earth. Say we can start from Socrates, then we can think of other, in India was Dattātreya, is the ... Dattātreya is the essence, and He is born as Socrates, He is born as Lao Tze, He is born as Abraham, as Moses, He is born as, up till now we can say, Muhammad Sāhab, Nāṇaka, latest is the Sāī Nāth of Śhirḍī. He is the One who [pointing with one more circle inside the Void on the Chakra Chart:] represents, They all represent, this Primordial Master's Principle of Religion."
1981-0928 Public Program, Day 5, Christ Church (United Methodist), 524 Park Avenue, Manhattan, New York City, NY, U.S.A.

"Today I would like to say about this chakra especially that is the ... what we call the Nābhī chakra, is the central path of our evolution where you start your seeking and youge [you] cross over to [the] other side.
Now, surrounding this you will find there is the Ocean of Illusion. And this Ocean of Illusion was governed by a Deity, by a special powerful personality whom we call as Dattātreya – is the Primordial Master. And He incarnated on this Earth many a times. At the time of Christ, and even before that, He incarnated as, say, Abraham, Moses, Socrates, Lao Tze. Later on, He incarnated as Muhammad Sāhab, then the same Great Principle incarnated as Nāṇaka, then the same Principle at the last incarnated as Sāī Nāth of Śhirḍī.
So the same Great Principle of this Primordial Master has incarnated because without a master, how will you be taken away from in ... this illusion? How you are going to be exposed to that reality which you do not feel?
What has to happen to you is that you have to become more sensitive, more open, awakened, enlightened to feel that's All-pervading Power around you.
Now, these [masters] came again and again and told you that you must look after your dharma.
Dharma doesn't mean any religion that is being established in the names of these people, because human beings know how to make a pickle out of everyone. They are great 'experts'.
All of Them in essence are one and the same.
But like flowers on the same tree can be taken away from time to time and then when they become ugly and they become completely spoilt, then people can claim, 'This is my flower,' 'This is my flower.' Everybody has become a contractor of this thing.
Actually these people belong to the whole universe, They are universal beings and They came on this Earth to give us a sustainance [sustenance] within us, a sustainance [sustenance].
Dharma means a sustainance [sustenance], that is we can say, that is quality that is ... that is human."
1981-1015 Public Program, Day 4, Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ, 18480 Nordoff Street, Panorama City (32 kms N-NW of Los Angeles), CA, U.S.A.

Śhrī Mātājī: Is not only that, I'm saying on the whole, a shee ... worship is a tradition which has come to us from great Seers and ancient Sages. Anybody, even, say, Moses, you can say Socrates, you can say Dattātreya, or Mārkaṇḍeya, or any one of these people, have found out the ways and methods how to tune our instruments to the Divine to achieve the maximum joy.
'How to please the Deities,'' that's the main point is, how to please the Deities. But it's a crude word pleases, but how to ... [laughing:] I don't know what should I say, innovation they say, or what do you call that? How to spark them, ...
Sahaja Yogi: Invoke.
Śhrī Mātājī: ... invoke, invoke them. Invoke them: that they give you complete blessings.
And the trick of the trade one has to learn, one has to educate. There's nothing wrong in getting educated.
So we know that we have to educate ourself, first point, and secondly, we have to know, that for that, we have to be humble. The humility should be such: that, 'I have to learn. I have to learn. I have to educate. Nothing ... nothing wrong in it.'
1982-0321 Birthday Pūjā, Āśhram, 44 Chelsham Road, Clapham, London, UK

"You will be sursprised [surprised] if I tell you the whole history of the relationship between Them. Between Christ and Kṛiṣhṇa, between Muhammad and Christ and Kṛiṣhṇa, there's a big relationship. They are all related to each other, very closely, which you'll find out in Kuṇḍalinī also. It['s] very interesting how They are related, now They have played the game. And They are all settled down within us, you see: all brother sisters, husband wife, all sorts of relationship They have. Is very interesting to see.
But it is not only a story but you can see it yourself, that They are within you.
To say, say, for example if I say that Muhammad Sāhab was the same as Nāṇak, Guru Nāṇak. Imagine: the Sikhs are breaking the necks of Muslims, and Muslims are breaking the uh-uh-uh heads of uh-uh-uh0uh Sikhs, you see. It's a big quarrel going on. But Nāṇak came after Muhammad to teach Muslim-Hindu unity. Because He was surprised the way Muslims are!
But They are one! They are one personality, born again and again: Moses, Abraham, Socrates, all of Them are the same."
1982-0622 Public Program, You All Have to Become Holy People and Attention Becomes Enlightened (Have I Become a Prophet), Reading, Berkshire, UK

"Surrounding this stomach is the area where one has to cross.
And this area is actually the Area of the Masters. All the Primordial Masters were born in this area, like Moses, Socrates.
There are main basic Ten Primordial Beings, who came on this Earth, who came to give us an idea as to our seeking, what we have to do. Basically, They came here to teach us how to balance ourselves: how to balance so we can ascend.
Now all these Great Prophets or Primordial Beings, we should say They were the Ones who were the Masters, They came to inform us that if you cross too much onto the left side or too much on the right side, then you will be falling in your sustainance [sustenance], in your quality as a human being.
As a human being, you have to have a sustainance [sustenance], and this is the center that gradually unfolds the sustainance [sustenance] from animal to higher animals and to human stage, where a person starts realizing that these sustenances exist within us. That's how all our laws have come. The Ten Commandments of the Bible are the Ten Sustenances that are within us.
These are the Ten Gurus who came on this Earth to save human beings from getting out of the Middle Path, going more to the left and more to the right."
1982-0710 Public Program, Day 1, We Have to Know Something More (Modern Times Are the Times of Confusion, Experience of Your Awareness, and You Become the Spirit), Derby, Derbyshire, UK

"In the same way, human beings have ten valences. These are described in the Ten Commandments.
This balancing takes place in this area which is shown with the green color.
This balancing is done by people who incarnate on this Earth as Great Prophets. We can say Abraham, Moses, Socrates, and many other Prophets like these, Muhammad, Nāṇak, Janak, all of Them came on this Earth: They were the Incarnations of the Primordial Master. So took to talk about this balancing. And this balancing They told us, because without the balance there cannot be an ascent.
[Aside:] Gentleman, why are you disturbing everyone?"
1982-0928 Public Program, Day 3, Urania Volkshochschulen, Volksbildungshaus, Uraniastraße 1, Vienna, Austria

"So, to uh establish the balance within us, these people came again and again, these Ten Primordial Beings we saw: some on the left-hand side, some on the right-hand side. It's very symbolic. The whole thing is so wonderful.
So now we can say who They were. From the very beginning, this is Socrates, Moses, Abraham, Lao Tze, we had Muhammad, Nāṇak, Janak, and the last of all was Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth. Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth: the one who lived in Śhirḍī. He is the last Incarnation who came. After Muhammad, Nāṇaka came, after Nāṇaka Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth.
All these are the one and the only ... only one Principle of Primordial Master who came, and They all said the same thing.
First of all, They were against alcohols, against any kind of a[n] intoxication.
But say, at the time of Moses they didn't have cigarettes, you see, so He didn't say about cigarettes, naturally. They didn't have. So the people who follow Moses think, 'There's nothing wrong with cigarettes because He didn't say.' But that time there were no cigarettes, you see?
All these sinful things were devised afterwards."
1982-1029 Talk to Sahaja Yogis, Creation, Original Sin, and Incarnations, Manhattan, New York City, NY, U.S.A.

"Though this Incarnation is such that It never dies. Even if They leave the body, They are always around.
And They are the Ones who perform lots of miracles when any other Incarnation comes on this Earth. They help, support, guide that seekers to go to the Incarnations.
So, to celebrate His birthday, on such a date, is also a myth because He never died. He is eternally living: They never grow, and They never die.
But His birth is important, because, symbolically, He came on this Earth not to propagate any particular type of the Void as Muhammad did, or, say, Moses did, David did, Moses and then, before that Abraham, Lao Tze, or Socrates, which followed into a religion. But He came to create amenity ... amity we can say, to create understanding, to create unity between the religions.
This was a very big step for Sahaja Yoga.
After that as you know, He was born again, God knows where, no one knows where He was born, but He appeared as Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth. He too said the same thing: that, "To talk ill of any religion is a sin." "
1982-1101 Talk to Sahaja Yogis (Śhrī Guru Nāṇaka Jayanti), Every Sahaja Yogi Has to Become a Guru, Nirmala Palace Āśhram, 99 Nightingale Lane, Balham, London SW12 8LZ, UK

"But Socrates and Confucius, who were such ancient people, have talked about these Gods. That, 'We have to keep Them pleased,' and you have to keep Them all right. But those realized Souls, perhaps did not know, that's not easy to convince human beings, who are not realized Souls, about these Deities being within you.
And They are all just waiting there.
As soon as the Kuṇḍalinī rises, you start manifesting your grandeur, your great personality that awaits you. This is something not fantastic to Me, because I have seen thousands of people getting Realization, thousands of them feeling the Cool Breeze, thousands of them transforming."
1983-0302 Public Program, Day 1, Town Hall, Hay Street and Barrack Street, Perth, WA, Australia

"You see, they are physically sake [sick] uh because they have lost their roots, they have gone to e-extremes and imbalances.
We cannot go to imbalance, you see. Religion is to keep yourself in balance.
There are Ten Religions in the human being, like ten valencies. As carbon has four valencies, we have ten valencies about which all the Primordial Masters, who came on this Earth, have taught. Like Lao Tze, like Socrates, we can say Abraham, Moses, and many in India also.
They came and told us that we should keep the balance. Balance of our wife [life]. Keep in the center, for the ascent. If you are not balanced you cannot ascend.
But people have gone to extremes. They are faddist[s]. Whatever you tell them: if you tell them that, 'You see, now you are not well, so you do something,' they will do it so much that they'll outwit [laughing:] everything, I can see. They always go to the extreme of everything."
1983-0308 Public Program, Day 1, Royal Exhibition Building, Carlton Gardens, 9 Nicholson Street, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

"Really, the unity within us lies when you become collectively conscious. All this work has been done in the ancient times. As Muhammad was One of the Prophets who came out of the Ten Prophets: Moses, Abraham, Lao Tze, then we had also people like other Prophets, Socrates. Recently we had in India the last One: is the Sāī Nāth, not the Sathya one, but the Sāī Nāth who lived, who was representing this Great Principle of Primordial Master."
1983-0310 Public Program, Day 3, Royal Exhibition Building, Carlton Gardens, 9 Nicholson Street, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

"Now when this center is illumined, around it is illumined your sustainance [sustenance]. That's your Inner Religion.
The ... we call it Ten Incarnations of the Primordial Master. There are many who came, but the Ones who came in India was called as Brahmadeva uh ... was called as Dattātreya, Janaka, Rāja Janaka, the father of Sītā. In China, Lao Tze, Confucius. In uh, in the Bible, Abraham and Moses. And later on, in the uh form of uh Muhammad Sāhab. And then Janaka. No, no, Nāṇaka, I'm sorry, Nāṇaka. Nāṇak Sāhab. And in Greece, it was Socrates. They took birth on all these places. In the end, about fifty years back, or hundred years back, was born Great Primordial Master, in India, in Śhirḍī.
[Helping with the translation:] In Śhirḍī."
1983-0831 Public Program, Day 3, Geneva, Switzerland

"But now, today I am going to tell you the mastery over the Power of Love: love which is without any lust and greed, which is detached love. About which Socrates has talked to you: that He said, 'The politicians have to be detached politicians.' How can they be detached?"
1983-1017 Public Program, Day 1, The Community Church, 40 East and 35th Street, Manhattan, New York City, NY, U.S.A.

"In this country until and unless rājakaraṇ is not going to be associated with dharma, political people will come, and other people will come to them and spit on them, but their politics will go on. Until the pillar of dharma is not established – because our country India's foundation is dharma – until we don't learn to base politics on dharma, until we don't bring Śhrī Rāmachandra's politics, until we don't bring Socrates' politics, this country is not going to progress.
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In the left side is the abode of Śhrī Rām: Śhrī Rām who was a father, who is a benevolent king. He was a king such as explained by Socrates. Who cannot think of anything but benevolence of people: how to benefit people, how to make them all right, how to manifest well-being of people. Whatever He did in the world, He had desired only one thing: how to manifest well-being of people.
He went barefoot in the forest so that the earth can be vibrated by His Feet. He played the entire drama – it was a sad drama. His body tolerated everything. He played this entire sad drama to show what is an ideal king, what is an ideal father and what is an ideal son."
1984-0316 Public Program (Hindi), Day 4, Heart and Viśhuddhi Chakras, Mavlankar Hall, Constitution Club of India, Vithal Bhai Patel House, Rafi Mārg, Sansad Mārg Area, Behind Reserve Bank of India, New Delhi, India

"Now whatever Arneau has told you, or whatever I am going to tell you, is the knowledge of the roots, which was kept secret for thousands of years. And first time in the sixth century people started talking openly about it and telling: what are we inside ourselves.
But all the Great Incarnations who came in this tradition of spirituality, one by one manifested, every time, a new awareness in the human dimension.
In the ancient time when they followed Patañjali Yoga, that time, they were hardly one or two people whom Realization was given. Like Rāja Janaka gave Realization to one person, who was the father-in-law of Śhrī Rām.
Then came Moses, Abraham, all these Great Prophets who tried to establish wit... within us the Divine Laws. They told us what are these Divine Laws within us which act, what are our valances as any element has. Invariably, all of Them, from Socrates onward, They all said that there are ten valances within us, like Ten Commandments, which we have to keep them intact.
Out of these people, the Prophets, came oh most of the religions of early times. Like Judaism and other, Zoroastrism, Lao Tze, all these people were saying the same and same thing, that, 'We must have a balance within ourselves to establish the Divine Laws within ourselves.'
But when Moses saw that the people were so much anti-God and so much anti-Divinity, He put forward a very strong type of a law which we call as śharīat. These laws were made for Jews, but actually they are followed by Muslim people."
1984-0830 Public Program, Lausanne, Vaud, Switzerland

"Mostly I work in the villages of India. And one day I was going on a bullock cart... uh with a gentleman who is a Sahaja Yogi. And I was amazed: He was talking like a great Saint! He's not educated. He has never seen the world. He lives in a village, but he talks like a Saint.
What university Christ went to? What university Nāṇaka went into? Where do They go to study, Socrates? Nothing! They had all the knowledge within Themselves.
They sometimes ask Me: "Mother, are Your disciples all scholars?" I said, "No, they are very ordinary people."
......
"But they are connected with the True Knowledge, which is fantastic. And whatever they want to know, they know it. Because Spirit is connected with the True Source of Knowledge." "
1984-0917 Public Program, La Sala dei Congressi della Provincia di Milano, Via Filippo Corridoni 16, Milan, Lombardy, Italy

"Only the one who can control is beyond. The one who is in it cannot control it.
If you have to pull out the ship, you have to be on the shore.
The one who has gone behind ... beyond can only do that. So, you go beyond, that is atīt.
But, when it comes to the knowledge about such a person, you cannot think, because such a person is beyond thinking. You cannot describe, because such a person cannot [be] describe[d]. You cannot say why Socrates agreed to take the poison, why Christ agreed to get crucified. That's beyond human comprehension.
That's how you behave, beyond human comprehension, and you are not to take certificates from human beings. Your certificates come from God Almighty and not from these human beings who are at a lower level. It would be like a dog writing about human beings."
1985-0505 Sahasrāra Pūjā, State of Absolute (Nirānanda Absolute Joy, Absolute Love, Absolute Compassion, Absolute Power), Laxenburg Castle, Vienna, Austria

"They have described that, 'Through the ascent of the Kuṇḍalinī only you can reach your Spirit.' All the Upaniṣhadas, which are the second part of the Vedas, all of them have described the Kuṇḍalinī. Only thing, the difference is: that some said, 'By doing this, by doing that,' 'By uh abstinence,' some said, 'By accepting uh the right part, the central part,' 'By building up your balance,' all these different, different style of things to modulate a human being to lead a moderate life, they have built up their own literature.
But every one of them exist: exist because they want to talk about your ascent to be the Spirit. There's nothing else but that! That's the basic point!
And Kuṇḍalinī is the Fundamental Power which has to be awakened: all of them have the same.
But it happens: that a person who is more extrovert, always tries to go to something new. [Drinks water.] And when he tries to go to something new, he forgets that: 'There has been a tradition of that for ages! And why should we suddenly accept a new idea?'
Confucius, Socrates, Abraham, Moses, later on Christ, all of Them have talked about the Spirit.
Muhammad Sāhab has talked about the Kuṇḍalinī, calling It a 'Asas.
And the word Kuṇḍalinī also is ... has a meaning that it is a coiled-up energy."
1985-0508 Public Program, Day 1, This Is the Knowledge of the Roots, Deutsches Museum, Münich, Germany

"So only by believing [laughing:] that you are great, you don't become great.
This Spirit, when It shines, you become the True Knowledge. The falsehood drops out. The whole veil of ignorance goes away, and you see the light of Truth.
None of the Great Saints have been to any universities, colleges, anywhere. They have been very simple people, and what knowledge! From where did this knowledge come in? They never read any books! How did they know? Lao Tze never went to any college. Socrates did not go to any college. From where did they learn all this knowledge?
You yourself, you are the store of knowledge, only you are to be connected with it.
So when you get connected like this instrument, or any instrument, it starts working automatically."
1985-0509 Public Program, Day 2, Habit Comes to You from Matter, Münich, Bavaria, Germany

"But, in the seeking, today the problem is: human being has become, not independent, but arbitrary. He has no relationship with the whole. And anybody who tries to find out a new method, a new idea, uh ... a new way, people jump at it. This is the character of the modern times.
Also media and everybody tries to support anything new [that] comes up.
In seeking also it has happened.
Whatever the ancient people, the Scriptures have found out for us is not to be wasted. We have to base our findings, our path, on the same experiences that they have had, and use them for our purpose, is a sensible thing.
Like a boy gets a lot of money, say from his parents, he uses that, and then builds up his own business. Very rarely he'll throw away all that, and start something new venture and end up into bankruptcy.
This is one of the problems we are facing. So I have seen that people suddenly take to new methods.
Like I was in Pune the other day, and I met some very learned Sanskrit scholars. And I was amazed: that they all were suffering from all kinds of diseases of a very serious nature. They said we have a guru, another said he had a guru. I said, "How is it you are suffering from disease? If you have a guru at least your health should be all right, at least minimum of minimum." "Oh," they said, "no! This is something we are doing very ... uh serious work." "What is that?" They started giving Me names: aruṇopāy, tar[u]ṇopāy, this, that. Buthey said: that, "Our guru gives us a śhaktipāt." I said, "What is all that? I have never heard [about] it. In what book have you found it? Is it in Vedas? Is it in Purāṇas? Is it in the Gītā? Or is it in the Bible or Qur'ān, where is it? Did Lao Tze talk about it or Socrates? From where do you get this word śhaktipāt suddenly? I've never heard about it." So they said about sixty, seventy years back there was a gentleman called Viṣhṇu Tīrth, he has written a book, a book, and all this is based on that śhaktipāt business. I said, "I've never heard of this Viṣhṇu Tīrth."
And he started a new fad. And this fad you have accepted! Paying no attention to what Gītā has to say, no attention to what Vedas have to say, no attention to what other Scriptures have to say about your ascent. You accepted this gentleman out of the blue.
Last hundred years in India, we have had such funny people: they produced books after books, even in English language. All these books were translated in English, German and all these languages, which has no basis, no connection, no relevance whatsoever to the ancient books."
1985-0510 Public Program, Becoming the Light within, Hampstead Town Hall Centre, 213 Haverstock Hill, London NW3 4QP, UK

"When I was once in India going by a bullock cart in a village, the bullock cart driver was absolutely uneducated. Ah and I started talking to him. And he was talking like Socrates, like Kabīra! I was surprised: 'From where this knowledge is coming to this man who is just a bullock cart driver‽'
The Source of Knowledge is the Spirit.
You can see: Christ never went to any university, Kṛiṣhṇa never went eh to any university, Rāma never went into any university, none of the Saints went to any university or theological schools! From where did they get all the Knowledge? They got it from the Spirit which enlightened their brain.
And the storehouse of all that Knowledge is there, which your start knowing as soon as you become the light."
1985-0515 Public Program, La Sala dei Congressi della Provincia di Milano, Via Filippo Corridoni 16, Milan, Lombardy, Italy

"When they talked, say, about the flowers, say, they talked that they are Gods, like Socrates talked about Gods, like Confucius talked about Gods. When they talked, 'We have to please our Gods,' we started doubting. 'What Gods He's talking about?' Whatever They saw we could not see. All right.
Then they thought, "No use talking about Gods. If you talk about Gods, then it becomes a, sort of a worship of something that is a flower. We talk about flower, then we think, 'We have become God.' And we talk about flower all the time!" ......
The reflection of Holy Ghost within us is the Kuṇḍalinī, and the reflection of Christ within us is the Spirit.
[After 12 seconds:] But everybody has played the role. Like Moses, like Abraham, like Socrates, like Lao Tze, everybody has played the role to build up this drama.
They are all part and parcel of One Being. This one you must understand.
When we said, "There is One God," He's not like Tock of Gibraltar. That, even Rock of Gibraltar has got different uh molecules, you see. But to ask, 'God is one,' means, I don't know, I cannot think of [laughing:] something, just a one block. He's not. He has many aspects, and these aspects are expressed in these different ways.
Of course He's one, united, integrated, one. But all these aspects are there.
And this 'One God' is either in the pockets of the priests or the pockets of the Brahmins or the pockets of the mullahs or the pockets of someone. 'One God.' ......
In Sahaja Yoga, you will have the politics of Ss-Socrates, of giving and of not taking. But we have to have that race raised into that personality, that global personality.
Can I do it alone? You all have to help Me."
1985-0920 Public Program, Memorial Hall, City Hall, Sheffield, UK

"You'll be surprised when you get your spiritual awakening, your spiritual light, you will see that all of Them who came forward were all related to each other. They were all One Family, only the people who followed them made the mistake of plucking the flowers from the One Free.
So with the spiritual ascent, you rise into a New Religion of Universality.
So wher[e] Socrates, Lao Tze, Abraham, Moses to today's great philosophers, all reside together.
All the Incarnations, like Christ, Kṛiṣhṇa, Rāma, all of Them are related with each other. They came on this Earth to create a [the] milestones of our ascent.
And when you come to Sahaja Yoga, you will be amazed to know: that a new light is thrown in their lives and in the Real Religion.
By just talking about them you cannot believe into such things.
But when you get these Divine Vibrations, you ask the question. And when that is the truth, you start feeling the Cool Breeze flowing into your hands, and you'd know that that's the truth. Because this new awareness has not come in you, that's why you cannot definitely say that, 'This is this.'
It's everything relative at this stage. But at the stage where you become the Spirit, It being absolute, you get Absolute Knowledge.
So we respect all these Great Incarnations, and then understand what They have done for us."
1985-1009 Public Program, Nature of Truth, Salle de La Marseillaise, Palais des Fetes, 34 Boulevard Clemenceau, Strasbourg, France

"Here [turning and pointing towards the Chakra Chart:] the Guru Tattwa is expressed in the Void, there, where the Ten Gurus actually incarnated basically and they re-incarnated. Say we can start uh-uh from Ādināth. Then we can come to ... other ones, uh-uh-uh ... like Nāṇaka, Janaka. Janaka was-ss much earlier. Then we can say Abraham, Moses-s-s. All these were Guru Tattwa, Socrates. All these were Guru Tattwa people: the people who came as Prophets. The ones who came on this Earth to teach us balance, to teach us the Code of Life.
That was also important part. But that was forgot[ten]!
'Why? Why the code? Why the religion?' Religion is for the ascent, to build you up."
1985-1128 Public Program (Śhrī William Blake's Birthday), Building the New Jerusalem, Hammersmith Town Hall, 1 Riverside Gardens, Hammersmith, London W6 9LE, UK

"You may read the books written by famous personalities like Socrates, Lao Tze, Confucius, who have said, "One should get one's Self-realization." "
1986-0401 Public Program (Hindi), Day 2, Ghanaśhyām das Birla Sabhaghar, 29 Ashutosh Choudhry Avenue, Near Birla Mandir, Ballygunge, Kolkata, West Bengal, India

"Śhrī Rām is, as described by Socrates, a benevolent king, a benevolent king, who believes in benevolence. Welfare of people is the only goal of Śhrī Rām, as described by Socrates."
1986-0402 Public Program (Hindi), Day 3, Samast Chakras or Sahaja Yog Se Lābh (About All Chakras or Benefits of Sahaja Yoga), Ghanaśhyām das Birla Sabhaghar, 29 Ashutosh Choudhry Avenue, Near Birla Mandir, Ballygunge, Kolkata, West Bengal, India

"And also, in all Indian Scriptures it is described that you have to get your Self-realization, and that you feel a Cool Breeze of the Ādi Śhakti or, as described in the Bible, of the Holy Ghost.
Zen has talked about it, Lao Tze has talked about it, all of Them have talked about this. Even Socrates has talked about that.
But all these Saints, Prophets and Incarnations had to suffer a lot because of the ignorance and ego of human beings. They made the lives of all these Saints so miserable that they did not have any time to explain these things so clearly in those days. They were so arrogant and so cruel that they could not see Divinity in anyone. They'd no sensitivity to understand what was Divine."
1986-0522 Public Program, Day 1, Colegio Mayor, Universitario Isabel de España, Madrid, Spain

"As a result, Kuṇḍalinī has started moving. So now, to enlarge the higher centers, and to give full confidence to the Kuṇḍalinī, we have to put our r... right hand in the upper part of the abdomen on the left-hand side and press it hard, and say here, will full confidence in yourself: 'Mother, I am my own master. Mother, I am my own guide.' Please say it with full confidence. There's no ego about it. With full confidence you must say, so the center of your mastery will open out and the Kuṇḍalinī can pass through well. It's effortless. Only thing we are helping the Kuṇḍalinī to have Her own way upward. This you have to say ten times because there are ten petals to this. This is actually the Ten Commandments which represent these ten petals and there were Ten Sadgurus in the past who came again and again on this Earth: like Prophets, like Moses, like Abraham, like Lao Tze, like Socrates. [After 15 seconds:] Please say this ten times."
1986-0530 Public Program, Day 1, Pyramid, Unity (Church of Christianity), 2929 Unity Drive, Houston, TX, U.S.A.

"The authority with which Moses talked, authority with which Socrates talked, authority with which Lao Tze talked ... All these great Ādi Gurus, from Ādināth [Ṛiṣhabhadeva, first Tīrthaṅkara in Jainism] to Sāī Nāth, They didn't say, 'If you do this way will be good,' or, 'That way would be good.' No! "This is what it is, you better do it!"
This is what it is!"
1986-0706 Guru Pūjā, Cosmic Consciousness, Hall, Kongresshaus Toscana, Toscanapark und Ruhe, Johann Orth-Allee 23, Gmunden (75 kms E of Salzburg), Austria

"When Śhrī Viṣhṇu incarnated as Śhrī Rām, then He came in a very significant role in this world, and as Socrates has described a benevolent king, Śhrī Rām came to represent this benevolent king."
1986-1013 Public Program (Hindi), Viśhuddhi Chakra, Lions Club Safari Park, Southern Avenue, Kolkata, West Bengal, India

"That is how the beauty is expressed through the holy hands of holy people, all over the world.
I don't know nowadays if it is done so.
Even in those days-s-s, at the time of Socrates, Lao Tze, philosophy was the dominating subject. People thought philosophy was the epitome of knowledge.
But suddenly then it turned to economics, and that's the place we have l... we lost our heritage of creativity, of the Divine Values, of the Divine Guṇas."
1987-0102 Talk to Sahaja Yogis (English + Marathi), Beauty Must Have Auspiciousness, before the Evening Program, Session 1 (before Dinner), Gaṇapatīpuḷe, Maharashtra, India

"If you go to a temple, every temple has got uh-uh-uh nice uh arrangement for you to get possessed. [Laughter.]
Or even a church, or a mosque, where God has to reside, you find suddenly you get attacked. and you come out absolutely puzzled about yourself, ending up into lunatic asylums.
So what sort of worshiping places are these, where you go to find God and you get the horrible satanic forces acting on you?
That's why in the modern times, people have become so very confused. We do not find truth in anything: in any ideologies, any philosophies, anything that started, say, Confucius started humanism, Socrates started another thing, Muhammad Sāhab started another thing.
Like Muhammad Sāhab said. "Let us not worship God as an idol. Let us worship Him in the Nirākāra," in the Formless God."
1987-0712 Guru Pūjā, Tent, Marque, Back Garden, Śhuddhi Camp (now The Hall, Shudy Camps Park), Shudy Camps, Cambridgeshire, UK

"As we had very great people ... uh ... on this Earth, I have given you the names, as we said there are, there have been Ten Gurus, uh ... starting from Ādināth [Ṛiṣhabhadeva, first Tīrthaṅkara in Jainism], we had Confucius, we had Socrates, and later on we had Abraham, Moses and also up to Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth, we had about Ten Great Gurus, now we have so many here sitting down. They are all gurus, and they have to behave like gurus and they have to the ... do the job of great gurus."
1988-0731 Guru Pūjā, The First Principle of the Guru Is the Gravity (First Thing and Foremost Thing Is that We Must Have Gravity in Temperament and Value System of a Balance and You Have to Become the Fruits of Sahaja Yoga), Tent, Grounds around Annapurna Atiram Aparthotel, Pont d'Ansalonga, Ansalonga, Andorra

"So, you can imagine how much advanced people were there at the time of Śhrī Rāma and His kingdom. The reason was the king was an Incarnation, also He was a benevolent king as described by Socrates."
1987-1004 Śhrī Rāma Pūjā (Dussehra Day), Maryādā Puruṣhottama and Message of Sītā's Life (Very Great Achievement Within Ourselves), Centre International, Les Avants, Switzerland

"But everyone has talked about your Re-birth, whether it was Christ, or Muhammad Sāhab, Socrates, Lao Tze, anyone. You are to be born-again, then you will know the reality.
But it is not some sort of a brand, or some sort of a[n] organization to which you belong and you's call yourself, 'I am a born-realized.' This is falsehood.
And, if you have to be compromising with falsehood, we cannot have the beauty and glory of reality.
We have to be honest to know the Truth. And that honesty is as simple as this: to say that, 'So far, I have not known the Truth. I've believed into this and that, but I have not known the truth.' "
1987-1102 Public Program, Day 1, Power that Comes with Your Second Birth and Know the Truth, Salle C, Maison de la Mutualité, 24 Rue Saint-Victor, 5th Arrondissement, Paris, France

"This is just anti-God activity and that's why when people start seeing these things happening in the religion, the way we have in our country, ill-treat the women, the way we have started this all kinds of satī business.
Like recently, I heard that in the śhāstras they say that satī is the right of a woman but she has no right to read śhāstras. It is all nonsense, absolute nonsense, because if you see that when Rāvaṇa died, this was eight thousand years hack, Śhrī Rāma married his wife to Vibhīṣhaṇa. That time He married a widow to Vibhīṣhaṇa. We have example of Śhrī Rāma before us that he did not care for this caste system.
We are the people, who are now trying to find faults with Śhrī Rāma, because we have become so egoistical, we don't understand how great He was.
Now Śhrī Rāma, they say, was a man, who discarded His wife and ill-treated Her. This was all a drama. They had to play particular type of drama at that time to show what a benevolent king He is. As described by Socrates that [what] the Benevolent King [is], you see in Śhrī Rāma."
1988-0000 Public Program, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

""Now, the Dharma, all the religion that is established by Great Prophets, starting right from Socrates, then Sei [Sāī] Nāth, Janaka, up to Guru Nāṇaka, you can say that that was just to establish the balance within us. Moses, Abraham, all of Them did that. They all tried to give us the idea of balancing, of temperance within us, for our ultimate purification."
1988-0609 Public Program, Day 2, Kongresshaus, 5, Margaretengürtel 138-140, Vienna, Austria

"As we had very great people ... uh ... on this Earth, I have given you the names, as we said there are, there have been Ten Gurus, uh ... starting from Ādināth [Ṛiṣhabhadeva, first Tīrthaṅkara in Jainism], we had Confucius, we had Socrates, and later on we had Abraham, Moses and also up to Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth, we had about Ten Great Gurus, now we have so many here sitting down. They are all gurus, and they have to behave like gurus and they have to the ... do the job of Great Gurus."
1988-0731 Guru Pūjā, The First Principle of the Guru Is the Gravity (First Thing and Foremost Thing Is that We Must Have Gravity in Temperament and Value System of a Balance and You Have to Become the Fruits of Sahaja Yoga), Tent, Grounds around Annapurna Atiram Aparthotel, Pont d'Ansalonga, Ansalonga, Andorra

Śhrī Mātājī: Now as ... unfortunately after Socrates, who came here in such a uh condition when people were really, absolutely ignorant, in the complete darkness of ignorance, and they could not understand Him. They could not understand Socrates at all. And so like any other Primordial Master was treated uh-uh-uh by the people who were surrounding Him, He was also very much ill-treated and nobody listened to Him.
But of course, as you know, He was Primordial Master and His wisdom is well-known, and He created out of Him disciples, but none of them could go anywhere near His wisdom. And they started their own theories, own styles.
And that's how we find the accent from philosophy that was Socrates' aim, gradually came into political and then into economic side. So the attention was moved from philosophy to economics today, not towards the philosophy which was established by Socrates.
We can say Socrates was the one Primordial Master, after Abraham and Moses, who really made it very clear-cut uh-uh-uh understanding about spirituality.
Of course, Moses and Muhammad ... uh Abraham had different problems. Like Abraham had problems of uh talking to people who were really very-very ignorant, and Moses had problem with people who were very indulgent people.
So He had to pass laws of śharīat. Moses passed the law of śharīat.
And if you read Bible, in the, I think, in the first verse only it is written about śharīat, uh in the Irmiyā [Arabic for Jeremiah], uh third uh ... third book of Bible [Leviticus]: that Moses had to pass these laws, different, different laws, to make people follow religion precisely.
So, He did not argue, He did not say why you should do it, didn't give an answer [any explanation]: 'You do it!', like that. Because He thought, 'These people are so ignorant, that you cannot leave it to their freedom, that uh-uh-uh you understand this or uh-uh-uh ... uh that you see the point.' He could not do that way. So He just said, 'All right. These are the laws, these are the things, and you have to follow. If you don't follow then you will be killed it, your hands will be cut, this will happen, that will happen.'' Because the people were of that type.
Now, then you see how gradually, at the time of Socrates, people had it evolved. They were a much better people. So He could talk to them about something of wisdom, of honesty, of righteousness, of peace. Of so many things He talked! And He could talk because people were worthy of that.
Otherwise, He could have said, 'All right. You do this, you do that, you do that.'
......
All right. So then, this uh-uh-uh part of the ... history is there [of Prahlād]. On that history stands the modern Greek.
So, if you see from Socrates-ss to Christ, people had evolved, we think, but they also crucified Christ. So what was their evolution?
Though, if you see what Christ preached and what's ... I'm sorry ph... what Christ preached and Socrates preached, there is much difference. Because Socrates [Christ] talked in parables, not openly, while Socrates talked in a very open way, in an open discussion, in open understanding.
That shows only that the people could understand what He was saying. But still He was also killed. Socrates also was given poison and He was also killed.
So that shows that, at that time also, the people in charge, or at the helm of affairs, didn't know what was reality.
So now, from Christ to Socrates and from Socrates to Me, we can say this way: that we are talking about it, though Socrates came uh in the year – how much B.C. He was? To Socrates ...
Sahaja Yoginī: About five hundred years.
Śhrī Mātājī: Huh?
Sahaja Yoginī: About five hundred years before Christ [500 B.C.].
Śhrī Mātājī: Christ. Five hundred [years before Christ].
So, might be that Christ must have felt that, 'Socrates, He talked so openly, so nicely to people, as because He was Primordial Master.' He realized it, so He talked in parables. He thought that, 'No use talking straight like Socrates,' because, you see they ... are very straightforward people.
The-ee Primordial Masters have to be very, very ... they are by nature extremely straightforward.
Ah even today's, those who are rea... those who were real gurus, they would not accept any uh-uh-uh person, they would throw away, they would beat people.
Uh-uh-uh even musicians in India, those who are great masters, they would beat theirs' disciples, see [if] they played something wrong, like very harsh people.
So, it was all right for Socrates also to tell things very plain and simple and all that, but still He was killed.
And then Christ, who was five hundred years later came. See, He saw the point: that, 'No use-ss talking,' because He came at Āgñyā, 'talking in that way.'
If you tell somebody, 'Don't do like this,' even reason it out like Socrates did: He is the Master of Logic, you can call Him. The whole logic system comes from Him. He's a Master of Logic.
But despite that, it did not appeal to the logic of the people who were at the helm of affairs. So they have no logic in their heads, you see, they are just rationalist.
Rationality is blindness, but l... there's no logic.
So because there is no logic, they killed Him.
And Christ understood that, 'There is no logic with these people so better talk to them in parables.' So He talked to them in parables.
But still they killed Him. Helm! The ... the authorities, they couldn't bear. They thought: 'He's becoming very powerful,' or whatever it was. The Jews themselves were very funny, and they did it.
......
So, this stage of yours, I think is the highest stage of awareness: where collectively you are understanding Me. The situation is not so bad as that was even at the time of Christ.
Before that, of a Socrates' time, I think, He was the only wise man going around. There was nobody else, seems to Me, had any wisdom.
Even His disciples, you see. Like Plato: he went off his head. Then Aristotle went off his head. I ... both of them, really, were ... tried to have their own arbitrary additions, [laughhing:] which were all absolutely.
But He talked absolutely ... Socrates talked absolutely about Gods and everything, and talked so openly.
1989-0524 Śhrī Pallas Athena Pūjā, The Origins and Role of Greece, House of Stamatis Boudouris, Athens, Greece

"Five hundred years before Christ [500 BC], the Great Master Socrates in this country told the whole world that, "We have to know ourselves." And He was wisdom personified. But He was killed. He didn't do any harm. He just told to everyone for their benevolence. He didn't live for Himself. And He lived for others. He did not take any ... any money from anyone, for His knowledge, nor ... nor did He punish anyone, but He was punished.
......
We can say that on the Tree of Life there were one or two flowers in the beginning, but today it is a Blossom Time, and so many are seeking the Truth.
Socrates could not have got so many people, in Greece, to listen to Him. [Smiles.]"
1989-0524 Public Program, Day 1, Ballroom, Hotel Grande Bretagne, 1 Vasileos Georgiou A, Syntagma Square Str, Athens, Greece

"Yesterday, they spoke to you about the different centers we have within ourselves.
These subtle centers were discovered thousands of years back by Great Saints. And Socrates also has talked about the Gods which reside within us. And the knowledge about it was existent long time back.
......
Majority of the people want Realization.
One or two persons here and there, you see. [Applause.]
So, one or two persons here and there should not disturb all of them. Is not proper, is not civil, is not decent.
I'm willing to answer [as some applause starts:] you, but you give it in writing, I'll answer you. I'm here to answer [you]. Yesterday I was sitting here for hours together! And the hotel people were so angry that they said they will not give the hotel tomorrow to us. It's so [to] such an extent.
Now, this is the country of Socrates, you cannot be childish. [Laughs, some laughter.] [Before translation, laughing:] You cannot be childish.
Must understand!"
1989-0525 Public Program, Day 2, Ballroom, Hotel Grande Bretagne, 1 Vasileos Georgiou A, Syntagma Square Str, Athens, Greece

"Since long there has been talk about Truth. Socrates talked about it, and He was killed. Then came Christ, He talked about it, He was killed. Then came Prophet Muhammad Sāhab, and He was also, in a way, killed.
But today the human awareness is much better, and we are understanding that Truth has to be beyond our mental projections."
1989-0526 Public Program, Country House, Parc Emirgân Korusu, Istanbul, Turkey

So, as Śhrī Viṣhṇu, when He thought of taking His Incarnation, because He is the One who is the Sp... Preserver, He's the Preserver, of this Creation, and also the Preserver of Dharma. So when He took His Incarnation He had to see that people keep to their dharma.
By keeping the dharma all right only, you could get your Realization.
So the job [laughs] was quite difficult for, I should say: to keep people in the central path of Mahālakṣhmī.
[Cleansing Her glasses:] So by first Incarnation t..., you can say that, He tried to create a benevolent king, as Śhrī Rāma. "Socrates has described a benevolent king.
But as a result of that, people started thinking if they have become queen and king, born in the family of royalty, then they are Gods."
1989-0814 Śhrī Kṛiṣhṇa Pūjā, Secondary School, Saffron Walden, UK

"We have achieved the purpose of Diwālī Pūjā, I think, [laughing:] only yesterday: is to feel the joy of God's Love.
But diwālī word is from dīpā-wali, means the rose of lights.
It was celebrated firstly because, thousands of years back, Śhrī Rāma was crowned on this day. That means the benevolence of human beings-ss was crowned, was accepted.
And in Śhrī Mā ... Rāma's life you see an ideal personality being shown to be a king, to be the Benevolent King as described by Socrates.
So, this was a great joyous thing that a benevolent king was crowned.
That means: we have to have a king who is benevolent. That's only possible if the people who choose the king have no other consideration but that of benevolence of all the people.
So, one has to come to the conclusion that they have to be Sahaja Yogis.
Because other think that, 'How much money we'll get out of this power that we'll have?', some think, 'How much power-oriented we could be?', some think, 'How many countries I can win?', or any other domination."
1989-1029 Diwālī Pūjā (Diwālī Pāḍavā), Be Honest to Yourself, Auditorium, Gymnasium, Montecatini Terme, Italy

"And in every religion whatsoever, even in Islam it is said, "You have to become a Walī." In Christianity it is said, "You are to be born-again." In Buddhism it is said, "You have to become Buddha," means you should be knowledgeable. In M... Mahāvīra's things He has said, "You must get your Self-realization." Lao Tze has said it. Shouish, just if you start from Socrates onward – of course, we should forget about Plato and these people because I don't think they had much sense of spirituality – but most of these people have talked about Self-realization. And there's no religion in which they have not talked about Self-realization. Even in the Judaism or where the ... they believe in the coming of the Savior for their salvation, even they have talked about it."
1990-0107 Pūjā (English + Hindi), We Must Know Who Is the God and Who Is the Goddess and If You Have to Gain Anything in This Pūjā, You Have to Give it the Highest Priority (Science of Spirituality), Gaṇapatīpuḷe, Maharashtra, India

"Great Sages and Saints were forthright and spoke openly about the untruth – Socrates was poisoned for speaking the Truth."
1990-0223 Śhivarātri Pūjā (Hindi), Ātma-sākṣhātkārī kī Viśheṣhatāeṃ (Attributes of Self-realization), Flora Palace, Pune, Maharashtra, India

"You see, they are very traditional. They are very traditional people and they understand this, you see.
And you have such great philosophers like Socrates.
......
Also Socrates said the same thing [Know Thyself]."
1990-0305 Interview with a Greek Lady Journalist for a TV Station, Interview with Frances Kelly for 'The Herald' Newspaper, and Talk to Sahaja Yogis, Garden, House of Greg and Cheryl Bradshaw, East Burwood, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

Sahaja Yogi: [Summarizes a gentleman:] "Is Kuṇḍalinī the only force in this particular time, that will do this particular job?"
Śhrī Mātājī: No, all the time this was the force, all the time. Is all the time, this was the force. It's called, also, in the Bible it is said, that, about the Tree of Life, is this mechanism. Also said that, "I'll p... appear before you as tongues of flames," is the Kuṇḍal... the ... when the Kuṇḍalinī rises, then your centers look like that. So many things there are even in the Bible. In everything, in Qur'ān it is called as 'Asas. The names are different, but it is so.
Like Tao is the Kuṇḍalinī. Tao as described, is also Kuṇḍalinī.
Zen system, Zen also means the same, Dhyāna, is the same thing.
Confucius talked of the same thing, Socrates talked of the same thing.
But only thing it was not so said so clearly. Because there were not people intelligent as you are today, to understand [laughing:] it, I think, that it was not said so clearly.
1990-0314 Public Program, Day 2, Auckland, New Zealand

"But if you are an enlightened personality, you never commit anything which is criminal. Because in the essence, all the valencies are already enlightened within yourself. And you know what is proper and improper.
But still, Christ was crucified. Socrates was poisoned. All these great people had to suffer at the hands of law givers or priests who were responsible for religion or people who thought that they were very correct. Ādi Śhaṅkarāchārya had to suffer so much. Gyāneśhwara, such a learned man, had to suffer so much."
1990-0324 Talk to Sahaja Yogis, Democracy, Communism, Human Laws and the Spirit, Birthday Felicitations, Bhaidas Hall, Gulmohar Road, (U-1) J.V.P.D, Near Mithibai College, Vile Parle West, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

"And you will not believe like this Greece is described in our Purāṇas as the Maṇipūr, Maṇipūr Devī, basic Nābhī given, already described [in] ancient times. Is the Navel of the Universe and there resides Athena, is described, is the Ādi Śhakti, is described. So many things are described which I'm carrying when I came before. Everything is there still, just the same.
And it is a Devalok, means this, this is the ... uh ... area of the Gods. But the mistake was, I think, that all the Gods were brought to the human level. Instead of ascending to their level, they were brought to human level. But India we don't do that way. Is inauspicious. We have to rise up to their level.
But you had Socrates, I mean, He was the Primordial Master.
[Related to the Greek translation:] We, too, call Him Sukarāt, as you call, we call Sukarāt. There's so many things common.
And you'll be surprised that thousands of years back, even before Alexander's, with the so many Greeks lived in India.
So it should not be difficult for us to understand the deeper meanings of our lives because you have such a traditional history."
1990-0621 Public Program, Day 2, Athens, Greece

"So, also the cap, you see, the political ideas were started by great people, like Socrates started it.
[As the translator ends with, "Socrat":] Yes.
And Socrat[es] said that the ... 'For the benevolence, the king has to be a benevolent king.'
But His disciples, like Aristotle, really ss-spoilt it.
Still the phi... yea-uh ... politics was philosophy-oriented. And then, now it has become nothing but economics."
1990-0725 Press Conference, Sheraton Sofia Hotel Balkan, pl. Sveta Nedelya 5, 1000 Sofia Center, Sofia, Bulgaria

"So, in the evolutionary process when Śhrī Rāma worked out as a human being, uh who was full of wisdom, uh and was the Benevolent King, uh as described by Socrates to show how the king should be, all those things He worked out in His lifetime.
But still, one more evolution was needed in Him. And that was, is the, they say, the Sampūrṇ, is the Complete Incarnation of Viṣhṇu came in as Śhrī Kṛiṣhṇa."
1990-0817 Talk to Sahaja Yogis, before the Evening Program, the Friday before Śhrī Kṛiṣhṇa Pūjā, Hallowtree Scout Campsite, Nacton, Ipswich IP10 0JP, UK

"Now, Śhrī Rāma is a character, I would say, which is-ss full of balance, absolutely. He's the Benevolent King which Socrates has described. So He needed somebody with Him all the time to do the work or to supply Him or to help Him, like a secretary you can call Him, and Śhrī Hanumāna was-ss the one who was created for this purpose."
1990-0831 Śhrī Hanumāna Pūjā, Electromagnetic Force, Schloss Schwetzingen, Frankfurt, Hesse, Germany

"This concept was a [showing two right fingers:] doubly denied in the West. Is, first is: that they cannot accept a Goddess. [Second:] Woman has no part.
S-s sight [right] from Socrates onward, nobody has talked much about a Woman, except of course there is Athena and all that, but it's very minor roles they have.
Greeks had Goddesses who were just like human beings, so that also gets ruled out. And very little was accepted. So when Christianity came, some or other Christians saw to it that there should be no mention of the Mother, in any way."
1990-1221 Śhrī Mahālakṣhmī Pūjā (Hindi + English), Hall, Kolhapur, Maharashtra, India

"Maryādā Puruṣhottam is a characteristic: a great example was given to us that the person who rules, who is the king, he should look after well-being. As Socrates has told, Benevolent King, as an example of that Śhrī Rām came into this world."
1991-0228 Talk to Sahaja Yogis (Hindi + English), Raṃgavalī Holī Celebrations, Pandal, opposite side from the Sahaja Yoga Temple, C-17, Shaheed Jeet Singh Marg, Block C, Qutab Institutional Area (behind Qutub Hotel), New Delhi, India

Version 1: "You know that Śhrī Rāma has a very important place on our chakra, He is situated on our right Heart. Śhrī Rāma has taken the place of father, hence if there is lack in the responsibility or love from father this chakra is caught.
In Sahaja Yoga we too understand that Śhrī Rāma and all other Deities have taken the form to fulfill Their divine work, in all Śhrī Rāma had a special task. As it was said by Socrates that the Benevolent King has to come the same way Śhrī Rāma had come on this Earth as benevolent king, He came in the form of human being, He even forgot that He was Incarnation of Śhrī Viṣhṇu, forgot about Him but for all world He was Puruṣhottama Rāma."

Version 2: "As you know that Śhrī Rāma has taken a very important place in our chakras. He is sitting on our right Heart. Śhrī Rāma has taken a place of a father, so lack of father's duty and love can cause a catch of this chakra.
In Sahaja Yoga we can understand that Rāma and all other Gods came on Earth with different powers [śhakti], they came to do their jobs. In the sense Śhrī Rāma has a special job. Socrates has said [that the] benevolent king has to come. For that Śhrī Rāma came."
1991-0325 Śhrī Rāma Pūjā (Hindi) (the day after Rāma Navamī Day), If You Believe in Śhrī Rāma Follow His Ideal (Our Nature Can Change because He Is Our Ideal and You All Become Ideals for this World), Kolkata, West Bengal, India

Śhrī Mātājī: But uh he [Gorbachev] has seen the point quite all right: that this kind of extreme regimentation of communism doesn't help. Also he sees the point what's wrong with democracy. So he doesn't want to go to that extent of democratic life, like America is where is complete abandonment and they have got so many problems because of this kind of-phs freedom which is just license.
Lady interviewer: Yea.
Śhrī Mātājī: So, he is a balanced person.
Lady interviewer: Mh-hm.
Śhrī Mātājī: And as well righteousness in his own character, everything, extremely righteous man. Lady interviewer: Right.
Śhrī Mātājī: Like uh, you see, you should say that Socrates says-ss ... described that we should have benevolent kings, you see. So he believes in benevolence.
And the way how he has ... uh-uh-uh crossed all these hurdles one by one is very surprising.
1991-0404 Interview with a Lady Journalist, Airport, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

"So, in the introspection you find out: what's gone wrong with you, how you are made this way. 'What's-ss wrong in my own personality? It has come from all the surroundings and the way people have been putting ideas into my head.'
You should have your own ideas! You shouldn't worry about Plato said and what Socrates said and what this thing said. What do you think? After all you are enlightened people."
1991-0728 Guru Pūjā, Four Psychological Problems, Tent, Cabella Ligure, Alessandria, Italy

"So this, in this stage that people tried to murder these great Saints: like Socrates, like uh we know everybody had to suffer so much. Because nobody uh in the collective liked Saints or goodness or righteousness.
That's how we had fallen down so much. At the time, as you know, in the time of Moses, what happened."
1991-1009 Talk to Sahaja Yogis (2nd Day of Navarātri), Creation, From Swādhiṣhṭhān ..., Palazzo Doria, Cabella Ligure, Alessandria, Italy}

"And Sahaj Yog is in vogue from time immemorial in our country.
Guru Nāṇak said about Sahaja Samādhi.
Which Saint has not talked about Sahaj?
If you see Lao Tze, He said the same thing.
If you see Socrates, He talked about the same thing.
But we are like we have closed our eyes.
That is why Kabīr has said, "How to make one understand when the whole world is blind?" "
1991-1216 Public Program (Hindi + Marathi), Day 1, Kuṇḍalinī Eka Mahāna Śhakti (Kuṇḍalinī Is a Great Power), Grounds, New English School, Pune, Maharashtra, India

"I never read Scriptures, [laughs] I don't think I have to read them because I know them, but I was reading uh the Qur'ān and also the Bible uh from this science, Christian science thing. All other scriptures also. I mean, what they are saying is absolutely true, that you have to be righteous, you have to be above vi[o]lence, you have to be detached. All these things are absolutely the same, no doubt. There's no change. In all these Scriptures they say the same thing. This was said about eight thousand] [8,000] years back by Śhrī Rāma, then by Śhrī Kṛiṣhṇa, then it was said by Socrates, Lao Tze, Abraham. All of Them have said the same thing. Then Muhammad Sāhab said the same thing, Nāṇaka said the same thing."
1992-0221 Public Program, Day 2, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

"Those who were Saints, in any country, take it Lao Tze, you can take from Socrates onward this side, Muhammad Sāhab, Nāṇak Sāhab, all of these people, you will be amazed to find that all these people behaved in such a manner that we cannot find faults with them. I mean if you want to find, you may with your ignorance. But the kind of life if They led, how is it that They were like that? What was so great? It was Their Divinity which expressed.
While we all have this Divinity within ourselves, we have all these powers within ourselves, only thing: we have to use those powers, we have to manifest them. And for that manifestation, is ... is important that we have to become self-realized, in the sense that you have to get your Second Birth.
......
This-s old science is not only from India. It comes from everywhere. As I told you Confucius knew this, Socrates knew this, and, also, many people like William Blake and C.S. Lewis, all these people knew about it.
But nobody could put it through to people because, I think, people did not want to accept it."
1992-0226 Public Program, Christchurch Town Hall (now Christchurch Town Hall of the Performing Arts), 86 Kilmore Street, Christchurch Central City, Christchurch, New Zealand

This is the area [void] which we say is-ss within us built up by the-ee Great Prophets. "You can start, say, Abraham, Moses, Socrates, Lao Tze, all these Great Prophets have built this area within us.
And this represents ten valencies, like Ten Commandments. Carbon has got four valencies, we have got ten valencies. And these ten valenji-cies [valencuies] are our real actual human nature, which we can call is the religion within ourselves."
1992-0228 Public Program, Newcastle (160 kms N of Sydney), New South Wales, Australia

"This Mister Freud is also another horrible fellow. He ... he was respected more than even Christ in the West. And they followed him more than they could follow Christ.
These are funny intellectuals: they take out some yarn out of their head, write books. Even, right from, I would say, from Tolstoy, even ... so many people in every country have taken out some sort of a yarn and have impressed people.
[During the Dutch (first) transation:] Oh, I am sorry: not Tolstoy.
But uh ... who was the disciple of uh this thing? Uh-uh-uh Socrates?
Sahaja Yogi: Plato.
Śhrī Mātājī: The first disciple?
Another Sahaja Yogi: Plato? Plato, Śhrī Mātājī? Plato.
Śhrī Mātājī: Yes, uh?
Same Sahaja Yogi: Plato, Śhrī Mātājī?
Śhrī Mātājī: Hāṃ [yes]! Yes, it's him. I mean, he is the one, who really has twsited the whole thing."
1992-0703 Public Program, Day 1, Ballroom, Hotel Metropole, Pl. De Brouckère 31, Brussels, Belgium

"And sometimes I make mistakes like: suddenly, I don't know why, I ... Aristotle I ph-confused with Tolstoy, I don't know why. Tolstoy came into My mind, though I don't think [laughing:] Tols[toy] I was anywhere near Aristotle or Aristotle was any near like that. But I did commit mistake and I've been thinking, 'Why? Why it was so?'
Still, it is very important. Even these people, you see, uh-uah-uah when they are described, like, you see, Aristotle had no influence on Tolstoy at all, is a fact. He had no influence.
Bu[t] Aristotle was a man with politics and all that and he displaced all the philosophy on one side.
Here is Tolstoy who tried to show how a person can resurrect.
I don't know if you have read him or not, but I think he is one of the great writers of those days.
And the other day only I was comparing both of them, and I said, "Look at this man! He is absolutely different from Aristotle, absolutely: two ends of the thing we can say. And how is it that he never read Aristotle? He was such a learned man, he never read Aristotle."
Then I just felt it's a Russian mind. And Russian mind is extremely introspective.
And this introspection was missing in Mister Aristotle, was taking out everything out of his head, the yarn, and putting people on the other line altogether of this politics.
Plato was even, in a way, worse than him, but this one is another.
So Socrates was finished! And Aristotle became everything.
But because I have been judging both of them on their merits, that how is it Tolstoy? Because Tolstoy was a born realized Soul. So he saw life very differently.
If you have read Anna Karenina, there they have shown this lady, Anna Karenina, carrying on with another man, when she was a married lady, and her husband very tolerant, working very hard and all that, and could not give her sufficient time so she thought she has a right to be romantic. And then at the end he [Tolstoy] proves that she was never happy. But the ... her husband was very peaceful, very forgiving. But she was never happy, and ultimately she had to commit suicide.
I mean these are old writers, who used to write like this, specially those who were realized Souls.
But if you give the same thing to somebody who is a modern writer, he would show that the husband committed suicide, not the wife. [Some soft laughter.]"
1992-0704 Śhrī Viṣhṇumāyā Pūjā, Viṣhṇumāyā's Powers, Āśhram, Everbeek, Belgium

"Like Socrates was one of Them, who was a Primordial Master, and They have created this center [of masatery]."
1993-0428 Public Program advertised as 'The Goddess Athena Proved to Be Reality', Theatro Akropol, Athens, Greece

"We have had lots of good people, during this short time if you see. See, if you see, Mahātmā Gāndhī was there's, Martin Luther was there, all kinds of people you see uh-uh-uh all over, uh Abraham Lincoln was there, uh George Washington was there, we have uh William Blake was there, uh we had Shakespeare.
All this, this time, you see in the literature, in every way, Lao Tze, then we had uh-uh-uh Socrates. Will start from Socrates to today, we have had lots of philosopher[s], lots of people who talked about [a] higher life.
Despite that, people were thinking, 'These are some absurd people, there's nothing in it now, too much to understand.' Nobody would read anything about, uh-uh-uh say, Guru Gītā they would not. They would think a, 'What's this nonsense? What's the use? It's all humbug going on,' like that."
1993-0606 Śhrī Ādi Śhakti Kuṇḍalinī Pūjā, Incarnation of Divine Love, Tent, Cabella Ligure, Alessandria, Italy

[Talking about Śhrī Rām, Śhrī Mātājī saays that He was the Benevolent King, as described by Socrates. He was so tuned in to the feelings of His subjects, that He had to send Sītā, His wife away, because She had stayed with Rāvaṇa, when She was kidnapped by him.]
1993-1113 Interview with Prof. Yuriy A. Voronov, Moscow, Russia

"First we had the Incarnation of Śhrī Rāma. The Viṣhṇu, as you know, took the birth of Śhrī Rām.
But Śhrī Rāma forgot His Divinity. He was made to forget His Divinity.
And He lived like an ordinary person, became a king, like Socrates has described the Benevolent King.
And He had to also sacrifice His wife. That's very symbolic, no doubt.
The other part of North India, we'll be able to see uh ... His vibrated [smiling:] areas, where He moved, but Maharashtra He went ah without shoes: walked and walked and walked.
Thus, this whole country is really vibrated by great Saints and by Great Incarnations."
1993-1211 Śhrī Kṛiṣhṇa Pūjā, Yamunānagar, Haryana, India

"Socrates talked about a benevolent king, and Śhrī Rāma was that benevolent king once upon a time. And when I saw Lal Bahadur Shastri, I said, "Here is a benevolent king who has come." " [Applause.]
1994-1203 Talk to Sahaja Yogis, Release of Sir C.P.'s book \textcolor{greeny}{\it Lal Bahadur Shastri: A Life of Truth in Politics}, Bharat Scouts Ground and Guides Marg, Nizamuddin, National Zoological Park, Sundar Nagar, New Delhi, India

"You might have heard of many people, you must have heard about Socrates, and heard of Hazarat Nizamuddin Sahāb, that they were in such a position that they were given an ultimatum: 'Tomorrow, if you don't bow your head before us, we will cut your head off.' Then what happened was that the head of that king itself was cut off at night.
Who did that? Not these people. It might have been done by their disciples, who cut off the head of the king, someone must have done it."
1995-1205 Śhrī Ādi Śhakti Pūjā (Hindi), The Śhakti of Satya Yuga, New Delhi, India

"So, this is the third point, one has to know the announcement. You must have faith in yourself and you must announce!
All the Saints announced. They were killed for that, you saw how Socrates was given poison.
Doesn't matter! Nobody is going to kill you now! In these modern times, there's fundamental rights to exist. So nobody can kill you, take it from Me, but you must announce.
And the announcement should be with full faith and understanding about Sahaja Yoga, how important it is."
1996-1110 Diwālī Pūjā (Diwālī Day), What State You Have to Reach, Quinta do Mar, Sintra (29 kms NW of Lisbon), Portugal

"The one who has the Truth is always prepared. He knows that he'll be tortured, he'll be troubled. And nobody is going to listen to such a person.
That's a fact! We have seen all the Saints have suffered. Not only in India, all over the world. Wherever there have been people who are Saints, who have talked of Divinity, of the Truth, they have suffered. Nobody accepted them!
For example in England, William Blake, they thought He was a madman. When everybody is mad, I mean if you go to a madhouse, to a lunatic asylum, all the lunatics think that you are mad. [Laughing:] Same way it has been happening. It's very sad!
So many have come on this Earth. Not only in India, as I said, all over I find them. They were Sufis. They were people of great talents.
But they suffered! All of them suffered. Even Socrates had to take the poison."
1996-1125 Public Talk, World Philosophers Meet on the 700th Birthday of Śhrī Gyāneśhwara, M.I.T. College, Pune, Maharashtra, India

[Śhrī Rām was the ideal husband where as Śhrī Sītājī was an ideal wife and the children born to them, known as Lav and Kuśha, were also the ideal sons. Śhrī Rāma wanted to establish the high ideas to be emulated by humanity. Socrates, as you all know called Him a benevolent king.]
1998-0405 Śhrī Rāma Pūjā (Rāma Navamī), House, Noida, Uttar Pradesh, India

"But if there was one Saint, all the people got after that Saint. If there was one Christ, they got after Him, they crucified Him. Anybody who talked of Truth had suffered. Socrates was given poison.
So you have seen the history only all such things were happening. Because they were singled out, they were single people.
But now, thousands can get their Self-realization, thousands can become Saints.
Is such a collective power. It's such a great association which is so subtle and so much one. This is the love which is collective.
This collective love we have never felt. We have never known this collective love. At the slightest pretext, a brother will fight another brother, the father will fight the mother, all kinds of things will go on.
But, once you get collectively connected, you become like drops in the ocean, but actually become the ocean.
It's really not the poetry I'm telling you, is reality I'm talking to you [about]."
1999-0616 Public Program (also Follow On to Public Talk to VIPs), The Town Hall, 123 West and 43rd Street, Manhattan, New York City, NY, U.S.A.

[After the announcement of David Paul Dunphy who is stll dressed as in the play performed before the concert:] "He reminds Me of Socrates." [Laughter.]
2001-0728 Conversation with Sahaja Yogis, after the Evening Program, the day before Śhrī Kṛiṣhṇa Pūjā, Hangar, Nirmal Nagarī, 287 Starkville Road, Fort Plain (5 kms NW of Canajoharie), NY, U.S.A.

"In your great country, you had a person like Socrates. We never understood: what great person He was, and what He wanted, because people who were in charge, perhaps, were jealous of Him. We can't explain: a man, who is today accepted as a very Great Personality, was condemned to death at that time. Maybe, that time our awareness was very low! That we could not understand a man of that level."
2001-1023 Public Program, Novotel Athenes, 4, Michail Voda Str, Athens, Greece

"[After 10 seconds:] Now, our duty is to tell them what is the Truth. Our duty is: bring them to the proper path of spirituality.
Because they are all lost! Christians are lost, Muslims are lost, Hindus are lost, all of them are lost people. They have no idea as to what their religion professed and what they are supposed to do.
Ultimately Christ was crucified.
So you can see how, when there was Truth, untruth tried to finish it off: they couldn't bear it.
We have the example of Socrates. What was the need to kill Him? But they killed Him.
In this way, so far, we know in the past, all the people who are pivotal for the Truth are being finished. Because they don't want the Truth."
2001-1225 Christmas Pūjā, Gaṇapatīpuḷe, Maharashtra, India

"The Primordial Master was also born as Macchindranāth, and again as Zoroaster who was worshiped by the ancient Persians, and still revered by Parsis. Earlier He had taken birth as Abraham and later as Moses, the Fathers of Judaism. In China He was born as Confucius and as Lao Tze, and in Greece as Socrates. He took a very significant Incarnation as Muhammad Sāhib, the Messenger (Paigambar) and founder of Islam, whose daughter Fāṭimah was Sītā reborn, an Incarnation of Ādi Śhakti. She was the origin of the Shiya sect among the Muslims (in Indian dialect Sītā is called Shiya). Yet again He took birth as Guru Nāṇak, founder of the Sikh religion, whose sister was Nāṇakī (Jānakī, i.e., Sītā). Most recently He was born as Śhrī Sāī Bābā of Śhirḍī in the Indian State of Maharashtra where He died in 1918. Altogether there were ten major Avatāras of Dattātreya."
The Book of Ādi Śhakti, Chapter 2: Divine Incarnations – Ambassadors of God, Page 33

"The Brahmachaitanya (All-pervading Power) has Itself become very active as a new type of age called "Kṛita Yuga" has started. It is achieving results and producing miracles. It is not only talk or reading Scriptures, but it is actualization and the proof. Of course, all false people are afraid of facing the Truth, because Sahaja Yoga goes against their interests. They are challenging and opposing violently the spread of Sahaja Yoga. The Satya Yuga has to be established by the Sahaja Yogis. Now they are not alone like Christ our Lord, Muhammad the Prophet, Socrates the Philosopher or other Incarnations, Seers and realized Souls. They are in thousands. They are not in any way hampered by the few people who are trying to harm their collective progress. The Truth will be established and thus the dawn of Satya Yuga (the Kingdom of God) would be seen on the horizon. The message of Sahaja Yoga is that even these negative people have to accept the Truth and enjoy the blessings of the Divine Love."
1991-0700 Book 'Sahaja Yoga', Chapter 1: Sahaja Yoga

"A benevolent ruler, in the form of a philosopher king (as put forward by Socrates), is the ideal person to be the head of government. Such a person must be an extremely wise, detached personality, without any desires for lust, power and money. There have been such persons in the recent past, people like Mahātmā Gāndhī, Atatürk Kemal Pasha, Anwar el-Sadat, Lal Bahadur Shastri, Ho Chi Minh, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Dag Hammarksjöld, and Mujibur Rahman.
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The Socratic ideal of serving the benevolence of the people, does not exist any more. On the contrary, they criticize it by insisting that Socrates was not a practical man. All the great Saints and Prophets were, of course, idealists and not practical people. Most of the democracies of today's world are under the thumb of people who have no honorable or moral ideas whatsoever. They discover very fast that power can give them prosperity and that this money power can whitewash and obliterate all their misdeeds and conceal the dubious business they are up to. Unfortunately for them, this false license has now gone into their heads, like a fixed idea, and they go on behaving immorally, without any fear of the Divine, ruthlessly destroying the entire value system of democracy. They may carry on for years, as they did in Italy, until, by the Law of Polarity or by Divine Retribution, they are exposed. But before this happens, such rulers unfortunately become models for the people whom they govern and gradually moral degradation in day-to-day life begins to create a decadent or dying democratic society."
1995-0929 Meta Modern Era, Chapter 3: Democracy

"World peace can be achieved only when people in charge of world affairs get their Self-realization. They are leaders of different countries and through a Sahaja relation they will respect and love each other. They will be like benevolent kings described by Socrates, who will think of global peace. Today it seems as if the whole world is ablaze with war."
1995-0929 Meta Modern Era, Chapter 7: Peace

Jay Śhrī Mātājī!