ŚHRĪ MOSES in the Words of ŚHRĪ MĀTĀJĪ

"Smoking, now, of course, many are saying, "Smoking causes cancer," thank God!
What is tobacco meant for? Is for insecticide. It's an insecticide. I'm telling the Truth!
But you use it for intoxication, or what you call, I don't know.
Now when all the Gurus, even Moses, They told about this. All the Gurus have told! Incarnations have not but Gurus have.
I mean I'll the real ones. I'm not saying these fake ones that are these days, modern days, are just making a business proposition of everything. I'm not talking about them but the real ones, who are all born in this Void, the Void described by the Zen system of religion, all the Ten Gurus. We can say the major of being the Ten Gurus are incarnated. They tell us about the dharma."
1977-0222 Public Program, Day 1, About Different Chakras and Their Deities, Gāndhī Bhawan, Delhi University, North Campus, GC Narang Road, Timarpur, New Delhi, India

"There was a doctor who was suffering from cancer, who came to Me. And he was an ardent Muslim. And I told him to take the name of Nāṇaka. He said, "I would not. I can only take the name of Muhammad." I said, "Muhammad Himself is angry with you because you are such a fanatic. Because Muhammad was born as Nāṇaka." He said, "No, I cannot take His name." "All right," I said, "go ahead." I said, "All right, take the name of Dattātreya." He would not take it. He would not take the name of Moses. He said, "I only know Muhammad."
But then he was very much worse.
Then he came to Me. I said, "Now take the name of Dattātreya." You won't believe: he sat down, he said, "Mother, teach me how to do Pūjā of Dattātreya." And he got much better. I must say!
There was another gentleman who was a staunch Hindu. And if they are staunch, they are the worst they can take up. [Laughter.] And I told him that he has to take the name of Muhammad. And he would not! He said, "You are finishing my religion in, what are you doing‽ You are blasphemous!" And all kind of things he said. I said, "All right. You can say whatever you like."
After one year he again reappeared, in Delhi. And then I told him, "Now will you take the name of Muhammad Sāhab and do some Namāz?" And he read it! And he is all right."
1978-1014 Talk to Sahaja Yogis, Advice on Our Powers, How to Handle Scientists, First Western Seminar, Day 1, Conference Center, East Hampstead Park (near Workingham, 60 kms W of London), UK

"Now we have got Ten Dharmas within us which we have to keep all right. These are the main Ten Commandments.
These Ten Commandments we have to look after, and these are looked after by the people who are these, the Primordial Masters, as you call Them Incarnations Divinely: like Rāja Janaka, like Moses, like Socrates, like Nāṇaka, the last one was the Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth. This is the Principle is there, is the Primordial Master.
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All the Gurus have said, "You should not drink." Even Moses. Every one of Them had said: "You cannot drink."
[To drink] means take any kind of a[n] alcohol or any things that will take away your awareness, because that is the place of your awareness. In the sense, that: whatever goes wrong here spoils your attention, and if your attention is spoiled, your awareness is spoiled."
1978-1015 Talk to Sahaja Yogis, Zen and Void, Part 1, First Western Seminar, Day 2, Session 2 (during and after tea and coffee), Conference Center, East Hampstead Park (near Workingham, 60 kms W of London), UK

"After that there is Nābhī center. For Nābhī center you know that whatever has happened in the evolution from fish to human being, everything has happened here.
For helping in it many Big Gurus have Incarnated inside us, whom you know from Socrates to Confucius, Moses, Rāja Janak, Muhammad Sāhab, Nāṇak Sāhab, Kabīr, all these Big Gurus, all of Them have worked hard on it and made dharma of human beings. It is the dharma of human beings inside, in the stomach, not outside.
Like dharma of this gold is that it does not get spoiled, it is untarnishable.
In the same way Ten Dharma[s] of human beings are formed inside the stomach."
1979-0312 Public Program (Hindi), Day 3, Session 2 (evening), Mūlādhāra Chakra or Realization of Divine and Spirit, New Delhi, India

"So the dharma that has been established in us by God Almighty because if we want to go to the Kingdom of God, then in our freedom we must desire to get to God. If someone tries to pressurize us and says, 'You must ask for God,' then it is of no use, it is not an evaluation. That is why to reach in this state, a person has to seek the God as per his own independent sweet will and not due to any pressure, or any disease or any hardships or any sorrow, but only because of the fact and realizing that, 'It is the only motive of our life to seek God.'
That is why, when we desire for this Divine Gift, then the doors of God Almighty's Divine Blessings open for you, and around the center is a place of Ten Primordial Gurus. These are the Main Gurus which are the Incarnation[s] of Śhri Dattātreya. They are: Socrates, Moses, Muhammad Sāhab, Guru Nāṇak, Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth, and Zoroaster. They are all Incarnation[s] of one Incarnation."
1979-0322 Public Program (Hindi), Sahaja Yoga and the Subtle System, Biralā Krīṛā Keṃdra, Chowpatty, Girgaum Chowpatty, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India (other date 0321)

"About Me also you can ask questions. There are many ways of recognizing because in this life, you have to recognize. You have never recognized an Incarnation so far. You have to recognize.
That is compulsory and that is done through Sahajs Yoga because unless and until you are realized, how are [you] going to recognize Them also?
But even if you have not recognized Them, there was no need for you to crucify Them or to torture.
Then all the Gurus who came on this Earth, the Real Ones – fakes are never gurus, they are not gurus – the Real Ones that came on this Earth, say, we can say Moses, Abraham, Nāṇak, Muhammad Sāhib, Kabīr, all these are Incarnations of Primordial Master whom we call as Dattātreya.
If They are or not, if Muhammad Sāhib and Guru Nāṇak are the same personality, same people who came in different times, then what justice are we doing to Them? How are we to find out? How are you to believe Me about it?"
1979-0328 Public Address, Inauguration of The Advent (Guḍhī Pāḍavā Day), FICCI Auditorium, 1 Tansen Mārg, New Delhi, India from Anant Jeevan, Issue 1 (July 1979), Pages 5–12

"This is the only way to attain in Sahaja Yoga. What can I do with this? Just like an electrical outlet is always on, a plug is inserted into it, right now, I am on. When Kṛiṣhṇa was here, people said, "We believe in Rām." When Kṛiṣhṇa left, Īsā Masīh came, then people said, "We believe in Moses." When I have come, then people say that, "We believe in all of Them. We do not believe in You." And I am all of Them. What can be done about it? If I am that, what can be done? I do not understand why that should bother you. You all are experts in many things that I cannot do. I do not know quite a lot of things. Why should it trouble you if I know only this? I do not understand it. If I am something then I am that. Why should it bother you? If thousands of Kuṇḍalinīs are awakened, then there must be something to it, otherwise how can I be awakening the Kuṇḍalinī? Something to think about."
1979-0330 Public Program (Hindi), Dhyāna meṃ Śhraddhā kā Mahatva (Importance of Faith in Meditation), the day before the Departure to London, Pune, Maharashtra, India

"So, if you think evolution is a religion, then I would say Sahaja Yoga is the religion. If your evolution if you call it as a religion, then Sahaja Yoga is a religion. But is a religion which takes you belo ... beyond your sustenance, beyond your religion, dharmātīt, beyond the dharma.
We have amongst ourselves Hindu[s], Muslims, Christians, all kinds of people, you know that. All these people can feel it within themselves: is the religion in their stomachs, they can feel it. They can find out where is the religion. Because, I say, there, religion in the stomach is looked after by the Deities of Primordial Master whom we call as Dattātreya, in the Sanskrit language.
But does't mean Hinduism. It doesn't mean Hinduism at all. But it is called as Dattātreya in the Sanskrit language, in English is Primordial Master.
He is the same who incarnated on this earth: as Moses, as Abraham, aand, say, incarnated as Muhammad Sāhab, as Rāja Janaka, as Nāṇaka, and also as Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth. Can you believe that Muhammad Sāhab is the same as our Nāṇak?"
1979-0507 Public Program, Sahaja Yoga and Christianity, Bharatiya Vidyā Bhavan, London, UK

"And when it is worked out with effort, many Gurus and many – Real Ones, I'm saying, not, I'm not talking of the horrid ones – but the Real Ones who have been working in the forest, and the great people like Moses, and Abraham and all these people, They knew how difficult it was to raise the Kuṇḍalinī, this coiled thing: gradually, one after another.
And the detailed description of this is so horrifying that people get a fright.
Actually when the Kuṇḍalinī rises, normally, by effort of people who are authorized to do it, is such a slow movement that at any center where there is any escape, any weakness, the attention immediately goes on the sides from the cause, from the center. Once it moves to the center, you start getting all kinds of visions."
1979-0524 Public Program, Seeking and Rationality, Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

"But still, as you can see in the life of Christ, that coming of Christ was declared much before Christ came in by the Prophets who made prophecies. All these Prophets belong to the category of the Gurus I am talking about.
So, all over the world three types of movements were on. For example, the scientist[s] on the right-hand side, we can say, and the left-hand side are the devotees of God who sing the praise of God. And in the center there were people like Moses, like Abraham, who came on this earth just to prophesize, just to protect the devotees of God.
Now this middle movement of evolution, today, has reached its peak. Because all the Incarnations have arrived now, and have done Their job within you. They have occupied Their position within you, in your awareness, on these different centers.
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So today we are here to know that within us all these Incarnations exist, and the force that really brought forth, really manifested, who live like human beings and work like Gurus, that force which existed in this area, which created religion within us.
Religion, as we understand, organized religion, is not the religion. But the religion means: your sustaining power. You are a human being because there are ten sustaining powers within you.
So, They came to sustain us and to give us full idea about these Ten Powers and to establish us in our religion as a human being.
So these Gurus, who lived in that area, worked out the sustainace [sustenance] and helped us.
And this is one of the greatest forces we have got, which resides within us.
And whatever They have said has a very great meaning.
Actually, we should say the Main Gurus are ten, but there are many other Gurus.
And these Ten Gurus could be described as Rāja Janaka, then Moses, Abraham, and the in modern times you can say Muhammad Sāhab, and even up to Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth, in Śhirḍī, that force came in, for a short time, and then He disappeared. Nobody knows how He came there, He lived there and He died. Also, if you know Nāṇaka, He was also the same force, the same Primordial Master, who was born on this Earth.
Now, this is not the time to tell about individual people. But, I think, one day I will talk to you only on this subject of the Gurus.
So, these Gurus first started under the Primordial Master Himself, He was called as Dattātreya."
1979-0530 Public Program, A Higher Life, A World of Bliss and Joy (The Three Paths of Evolution), Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

"The thing that really gives you the balance is the sustainance [sustenance], is the sustainance [sustenance], dharma. If you do not have that, then you could go, shoot off like a pendulum from this side to that.
But in dharma also there could be a problem, and that is one of the worst possible, is of fanaticism. So, I mean, if you try to make the dharma a fanatic idea.
Like none of these Incarnations, like Muhammad Sāhab who was a[n] Incarnation of the Primordial Master, and all others like Him, Moses, Abraham, any One of Them who came on this Earth, ever thought of fanaticism. Never they realized, that when they told, 'Don't do this,' 'Don't do that,' some sort of people will take up upon themselves that, 'We are the chosen ones. We are the great.' I mean, this They could never understood. And whenever They found it was happening again They took birth. Again They took birth to tell people: 'This is not dharma.'
To form any kind of a cult or an organization and religion is against God! Is blasphemous!
How can you organize God? You cannot."
1979-0611 Public Program, How Aspects of God Are Expressed within Us, Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

"Now when They said, "Don't drink," you say, 'Oh-oh, that's out-of-dated. You see, there's Muhammad Sāhab, was no good. He told us not to drink.' Nāṇaka said, "Don't drink."
Now, smoking, you see the results of smoking, now what's happening with smoking. It goes against uh uh your Viśhuddhi. Because, you see, that is the place of Kṛiṣhṇa, and smoking started much later. You see, when He was much earlier, smoking started later on.
That's why Nāṇak Sāhab has talked about it much more.
But uh Muhammad Sāhab did see this point, He did see. So He said, "All ... all the inter... intoxicants and all habits are to be discarded. All such things must be discarded." So, He also wanted mhh yeah ...
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All these addictions must be given up. He said it, very clearly: "No addictions are allowed," according to Him.
But you see, how you make uh-uh-uh uh-uh fuss about things.
Like Muhammad Sāhab and all these Gurus, all these Great Incarnations of the Primordial Master who was Ādi Dattātreya, Ādinātha [Ṛiṣhabhadeva, first Tīrthaṅkara in Jainism], They taught you how to maintain your religion, your sustainance [sustenance], your balance.
So, immediately the Christians. Because Christ didn't talk much about it because Moses had talked about it, Abraham had talked about it. So Christ did not talk, so they said, "All right. So Christians can drink." Just imagine.
This is a loophole.
That's how they became Christians perhaps. Because they thought that if ... uh they were belonged to the Jews, you see, then they would have ... uh they wouldn't be able to drink.
But Jews drink like Hell. Jews also drink now! I mean the Muslims drink the most, you see.
And worst are the Sikhs: who are prohibited from drinking and smoking, they can beat all your scotch people here, you see. All your scotch whiskey goes into their stomachs [laughter], all these things, and they grow in this, this beard, thinking that they are great Sikhs going around, you see."
1979-0616 Conversation with Sahaja Yogis, Bala Kanayson's House, Rosemary Road, Tamworth (31 kms NE of Birmingham), UK

Śhrī Mātājī: Yes but wine doesn't mean by any chance alcohol. You see the big mistake, you see? Wine doesn't mean: wine means a grape juice, is called wine. You know, even the tree, I mean the creeper is called wine. You go to any country like Germany in the villages, they will not ask you [to have] grape juices, they will [say], 'Will you have wine?' You see, wine doesn't mean fermented stuff.
Sahaja Yogi: [unclear]?
Śhrī Mātājī: Yes! It means, e... even if you read Bible, there are many times is described as hot uh-uh-uh ...it's, the body is used even as alcohol, sort of thing.
Sahaja Yogi: [unclear].
Śhrī Mātājī: Because, you see, Moses talked about it such a lot, Christ didn't talk about it. Or He must have said also but these people didn't talk.
Sahaja Yogi: [unclear].
Śhrī Mātājī: Christ never wrote anything.
Sahaja Yogi: [unclear].
Śhrī Mātājī: It goes against your awareness, is a simple thing. How can He give you wine?
Sahaja Yogi: [unclear].
Śhrī Mātājī: You see, it goes against your awareness, it's a very simple thing. Apart from chemical uh-uh-uh changes taking place it goes against your awareness. How He you give you wine? Is not fermented!
1979-0617 Conversation with Sahaja Yogis, Bala Kanayson's House, Rosemary Road, Tamworth (31 kms NE of Birmingham), UK

"Around that, is that area where actually it exists in the stomach of God, we can say, this is the Bhavasāgara. This is what we have to cross. You see there's a Void, from there to there is a Void, and this we have to cross. And this is the thing which is crossed by the Kuṇḍalinī awakening.
Now what happens? That around that uh ... that ... water-like thing that you see there, see that is the one where Ten ... the Primordial Masters were born, Gurus, Primordial Gurus. Now They were incarnated of innocence of all this three aspects. And They were incarnated on this Earth, say, from Abraham, Moses, then we had uh-uh-uh ... up to Muhammad Sāhab we can say, then we can say Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth, then Nāṇaka, Janaka, all these people incarnated as Gurus.
Now what do They do? They, They, They give you sustainance [sustenance]. They give you sustainance [sustenance].
Now, sustenance is ... is ... for human beings is different. For animals is different.
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And this sustenance is maintained by the Gurus in that area. And They look after us: They are born again and again, again and again, to tell us about it.
They, people might say, 'What's wrong in drink?' Why did Muhammad Sāhab say, "Do not drink," Nāṇak Sāhab said, Moses said, that, "You should not drink?" For why [They] did this?
Now there is a reason, which you cannot stop it. If I tell you, 'Don't drink,' you come and drink.
I'll give you [a] very good reason for that, absolutely scientific, absolutely scientific. But you won't stop. So what should I do?
You see, which is the other way is: 'Why do you drink?' First of all I should find out the reason for it.
I find out the reason: that because you get bored, that's why. So, because you do not want to face the reality, you have an escape."
1979-0618 Conversation with Sahaja Yogis, Questions and Answers, Jim Proctor's House, Cookridge (10 kms NW of Leeds), UK

"And when the Kuṇḍalinī rises, She awakens all these Deities.
For example, Muhammad Sāhab is in the Void. All the Guru's like Muhammad Sāhab, all the Prophets, are in the Void, here, in the stomach.
Because, you see, these people have not arrived I haven't got My map [Chakra Chart] here but they might, could be arriving any time, then we can have a look at it.
And like these centers that are here, we have all these Deities, these Leaders who came to save us, on this Earth. We call it in Sanskrit Daśhāvatāras [Ten Incarnations].
And then we have so many Prophets like Muhammad Sāhab and like Moses, Abraham. All these are Great Prophets. They are all settled within ourselves here.
You will be amazed that They are in a dormant condition.
When this Kuṇḍalinī rises upward, She gives power to all of Them, and They start working. And then They open out here on the head, on top."
1979-0720 Public Program, Why Are We Here, What Is Our Purpose, Cardiff, Wales, UK

"All this has to be integrated. All the great religions which have been propounded in the growth of human beings, which have substantially helped in the growth of human beings, which are the substratum of their living, has to be integrated in that happening.
For example, I meet, supposing, a Hindu, then he says, "Mother, how do You talk of Christ? We don't believe in Christ." Now you are a very, very great person not to believe in Christ. Who are you not to believe in Christ? What do you think of yourself? What do you mean by saying that you don't believe in Christ? Do you know it is blasphemous to say such horrible things about any Great Incarnation on this Earth?
There are some who say, "We do not believe in Moses, or in Guru Nāṇaka, or in Muhammad Sāhib." Who are you? 'I don't believe,' 'I don't believe.' What is your belief? What-what, on what it is based? Why do you say such things? What do you know about Them?
Only by going to churches or going, going to these mosques or going to these synagogues! They are blind, making you blind. What have you achieved but nothing but stark fanaticism? It's a disease! It's sickness!
Just come in the Kingdom of God, and you will see that They are all seated there on the dais. They are all together and you like fools are fighting. Did They ever say that?
For example, when Christ cam ... came, did He say that, 'Moses was wrong'? Did He say so? When Nāṇaka came, did He say that, 'Muhammad was wrong'? Did any one of these great Saints say so?
Then who are you to denounce Them?
This is one of the greatest hurdles of so-called seekers."
1979-0724 Public Program, We Have to Seek our Wholesomeness, Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

"What it is remarkable to see, that before this, no Incarnation said publicly, that, They were Incarnations.
Rāma, of course, had forgotten that He was an incarnation. In a way, He was ... He made Himself to forget, played His māyā upon Himself, to become a complete human be-ing, Maryādā Puruṣhottama.
And Śhrī Kṛiṣhṇa also only told one person, Arjuna, just before he was to start the war.
Abraham never said that He was the Incarnation, though He was the Incarnation of Primordial Master.
Dattātreya Himself never said that He was the Incarnation of the Primordial Master. With all these three forces, acting through innocence, [He] came on this Earth to guide.
Moses never said that, though they knew He was great. He had overpowered nature. But He never said that He was the Incarnation."
1979-1202 Guru Pūjā, The Declaration, Living Room, Āśhram, 8, Hamilton Road, Dollis Hill, London NW10 1NX, UK

"But there is a group of people, still, who have been realized, and who are not, yet, there. Now what is the difference between the two is? In very simple: is the recognition. Those who have not recognized Me, will not be blessed. They'll be going round and round and round. So, it is necessary to recognize.
Now there are some people, like, we ... I'll say, very good example is, Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth's disciples are there. Now He is no more. So they believe in Him. Now where is He?
They don't want to believe in the present Incarnation! They want to believe in something that is dead. They believe in Rāma. They'll believe in Christ. Most of the Christians have this problem.
Even they will relate Me only to Christ. If I cannot relate Myself to Christ they cannot be in Sahaja Yoga. Or they'll relate Me, only to Moses, or to someone like that.
You have to live in the present."
1979-1202 Talk to Sahaja Yogis, before and during a Meal after Guru Pūjā, Living Room, Āśhram, 8, Hamilton Road, Dollis Hill, London NW10 1NX, UK

"Only in the human stage, it is said that, "You will become aware of it." Is said in all the Scriptures: like Qur'ān, like Bible, like Vedas, like uh Gītā which is a part of Veda, you can say. Also, Great Sages, all over the world, right from Moses, Abraham, Socrates, Lao Tze, in India, Janaka, Nāṇaka, Vasiṣhṭha, later on, people like, we can say, in the history, about sixth century, we had a very Great Saint or a great personality or an Incarnation like Śhaṅkarāchārya, all these people have been talking about your Second Birth. That you are to be born-again.
Unless and until you are born-again, you are not a Christian, you are not a Hindu, you are not a Muslim.
Keep it one name. There are ten names, to one thing, for twice-born."
1979-1203 Public Program, Session 1 (morning), Realization Is Not of the Intellect, Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

"When they saw Him being resurrected, then they started saying, "Oh! He was the One." Then His disciples believed Him.
What ignorance! What darkness! What darkness! It's like telling an ant about human civilization.
And this gross happening took place when in the subtle also the same happening had to take place.
Like when you say Moses crossed the river, this was the happening of Void being crossed by the Primordial Master.
So, in the subtle, whatever is done, is expressed in the gross in this manner. And this exactly what happened when Christ was crucified."
1980-0406 Easter Pūjā, Significance of Christ (Easter Is a Special Day Because in Our Lives the Death has Died and We Are Resurrected), Āśhram, 8, Hamilton Road, Dollis Hill, London NW10 1NX, UK

"For example, there was a doctor from Iran who was suffering from cancer, he came to see Me in London. He had the cancer of the stomach.
In this part resides all the Ten Great Masters, or the Primordial Masters, the Incarnations of the Primordial Master.
He ... ah ... I told ... I asked him ... uh-uh-uh what religion was he following, he said he was a ... uh-uh-uh Muslim, and out and out Muslim. I said, "What does that mean?", so he said, "It means only Muhammad was the only last Prophet, that cannot be any other Prophet." I said, "How do you know? But how are you so cocksure about it? How can you [laughing:] claim that He was the last Prophet?"
Moreover his cancer was due to that kind of a fanaticism within his stomach. I told him: "You have to believe in other Prophets also."
We had a Prophet in India called Guru Nāṇak, who was the Incarnation of the same. Abraham, Moses, all of Them were the Incarnation of the same Principle.
But he would not accept it. I said, "I can't cure your cancer."
So he went back.
But when it comes to life, you understand.
And he came back to Me. He said, "All right, I'll accept, and I'll take the name of Guru Nāṇak." I told him, "Muhammad Sāhāb Himself is angry with you for behaving like this. Because He was not a fanatic like you!" And when he did that, he got all right."
1980-0416 Public Program, Day 1, Paris, France

"Apart from that, there is [a] third type of Incarnations which worked [pointing to the Void on the Chakra Chart:] in this gap: to sustain us. These are Ten Pri... Primordial Masters, the Ādi Guru. These people incarnated on this Earth to give us our sustainance [sustenance], our religion as they call it. They gave us those Ten Religions or sustainance [sustenance] which is important for a human being.
This Principle of Primordial Master incarnated as Abraham, as Moses, as Muhammad Sāhab, as Janaka, as Nāṇaka, and recently, till recently, the One who is no more a now, is Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth.
[During the translation helps with the enumeration:] Muh... mhh. Socrates. Nāṇaka.
Yes.
Now, these people are Incarnation[s] of the one Principle, that is Primordial Master.
The energy or the power with which They work[ed] is either a sister or a daughter: is a very pure relationships.
If you read Their teachings you will find [that] They are saying the same things. Because They were worried about our sustainance [sustenance]."
1980-0419 Public Program, Day 4, Spiritual Evolution of Man, Paris, France

"This is the Holy Ghost about which Christ could not talk to those mad people who really crucified Him.
They were mad that they thought that, 'Christ was blasphemous.' Just think of it! And today we have churches and people, and this and that.
When He lived nobody accepted Him, nobody recognized Him. When He came, they talked of Moses, Abraham.
It is very nice to handle Christ, 'Better talk about Them, so that we don't have to face reality.' Because if they had recognized Christ, then Christ would have said, 'All right, if you are recognizing Me, then get your Realization and understand your Self.'
They where not prepared for this.
Only twelve people somehow, you see, managed to be there, somehow. They would not accept Him either. Till He was resurrected, then they accepted Him, in a way.
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For example, we can say the gree... green thing is the one that represents the water, water element. This center the ... in the stomach is the water element within us. It is called as Nābhī chakra, and around it is called as the Bhavasāgara, you can say the Void, or you can say the Gap, or whatever you may say, the whole world as such, within us. So, the people who were born on this center, around this center, were born out of water element.
In this Bhavasāgara – oc... Bhavasāgara means the ocean of this world – were born, through this ocean of the world, were born all the Primordial Masters, one after another. We can say Abraham, Moses, we had Janaka, were Ādināth [Ṛiṣhabhadeva, first Tīrthaṅkara in Jainism], and Socrates, and so many others like that, Nāṇaka, and also very recently, we had about hundred years back, a very great Saint born in India known as Sāī Nāth.
They all represent the same element that is the water element. Being responsible or being born out of that, They are anxious to maintain water element as the one which is within us for sustaining ourselves. We su... we are sustained by water, so They help us to sustain ourselves. They are the sustainers: They tell us how to sustain us as a human being.
And all of Them have tried to establish religion within us.
A religion doesn't mean outside, but the religion as a man: means the capacity of a man, or you can say the quality of a man. What a human being should be like, what is the way to know if he is a human being or not, which is described in al... in the Ten Commandments."
1980-0421 Public Program, What Is Second Birth, Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

"When I was born, My father told Me very clearly: that, "The people are born on the ground floor, and if you are born on the tenth floor, they cannot understand you. That's why they crucified Christ." What a mistake it was!
When Kṛiṣhṇa came they said they believed in Rāma. Same here, when Christ came in they said, "We believe in Abraham." When Moses ... or when Moses came they said, "We believe in Abraham."
That's how they avoided to accept someone who was telling the Truth! It is nice to have somebody be... believe into someone who is dead because you can do whatever you like with it. He is not going to sit on your head. And even if he comes back, you will say, 'He is not the same,' or kill him or crucify him or give him poison or torture him."
1980-0429 Public Program, Pure Intelligence, Geneva, Switzerland

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"But in the history of spirituality all over the world, we find there has been great contributions by people, who otherwise were very wise, very intelligent, and extremely generous people. They could not have been false. They could not have lied to us.
For example let us take the case of Socrates. Socrates has told us that: 'We have to leave our body for the second life and that when we live on this world, when we live as human beings on this Earth, we have to keep ourselves in such a way that we do not spoil our being. That we have a sustainance [sustenance] within us, a quality that makes us human beings, by which we can be called as human beings.'
What is the difference between human beings and animals?
As so many others also have said the same thing: 'That we are human beings, because we are human beings we have to maintain a certain amount of sustainance [sustenance].'
After Socrates we had people like Abraham and Moses, They also said the same thing! There isn't much difference in what They said and Socrates had said.
Socrates had said one a ... one more thing: 'That there are Deities within us, and we have to look after those Deities. We have to keep Them pleased.'
Moses, when He found Ten Commandments, actually He found those Ten Methods by which He was telling us, that, 'We should be able to keep our existence as human being[s],' by following those Ten Commandments.
Sustainance [sustenance] means the one we sustain within us. In Sanskrit knowl... language it is called as dharma. "Dhārayati [yena] sa dharmaḥ" [related to Mahābhārata 12.110.11]: the one which sustain[s] within ourselves.
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To normalize you, all these Great Saints were born on this Earth, in this Void of the Big Primordial Being. And they exist within us, though they are not awakened as yet.
We have had mainly Ten of Them. In India, we can call Them, from a very long time, as Ādināth, who was thousands of year[s] back. I have told you Socrates, Moses, Abraham, then Rāja Janaka. Then we had, later on, Muhammad Sāhab, then Nāṇaka. Then the last, one of Them, was Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth. He was another Primordial Master, a great man.
They are the Incarnations of the One Personality! They said the same thing and same thing and same thing: how to sustain yourself. Their job was not to give you Realization, but to sustain you: to make you capable of your Realization, to make you a proper recipient of God's blessings as realized Souls.
If the pot is not all right, if it has all the holes in it, what's the use of pouring Ganges into it?
So They clogged all the points, and said that, "This should not be done."
But as we have made mess of everything, we have made mess of Them also. All of us! Whether you are English, Indians or this thing doesn't matter. Whether you are Christians, Muslims or a Sikh or anything doesn't matter. All of us have made a mess of Them by just disobeying. We have really disobeyed Them, because we have a freedom to disobey. We have molded Them as we liked!"
1980-0613 Public Program, Something within Us which Makes Us Seek Something Beyond, Stratford, East London, London, UK

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"These Statutes were given by all the Gurus: take Them from Socrates onward, Moses, Abraham, Dattātreya, Janaka, up to, say, Nāṇaka, Muhammad Sāhab, and take up to the point where it was only about hin ... hundred years back, you can say, at the most, was Sāī Nāth.
All of Them have said that: "You have to lead a moral life." None of Them have said that, 'You do not get married,' that, 'You do not talk to your wife,' that, 'You have no relationship with your wife.' All this is nonsensical! "Lead a moral life." "
1980-0727 Guru Pūjā (Guru Pūrṇimā Day), Statutes of the Lord (You Do Not Harm Anyone, The Testimony of the Truth, Develop Detachment, Lead a Moral Life) and Promise that You Will Be a Guru Worthy of Your Mother (Today I Authorize You to Be the Gurus and You Have a Very Supreme Guru), Temple of All Faiths (now demolished, 11c Pond St), Belsize Park, Hampstead, London, UK

"Now, all the Gurus, all the Gurus who came, say from ... we can start from Socrates, then Abraham, Moses, this is the Guru Tattwa, is the Principle of Master, Primordial Masters. The Principle is born again and again.
In India we can say the Ādināth [Ṛiṣhabhadeva, first Tīrthaṅkara in Jainism], we had one Ādināth, the Guru long time back. Then we had Dattātreya, we had uh Janaka, Nāṇaka, Sāī Nāth.
We had in the Middle East Muhammad Sāhab, Lao Tze in China, Confucius.
All these Great Principles of Gurus who were born, They had one job to do is to establish your dharma. Their job was not to give you Realization.
You must understand: everyone has one's own job.
See, Mine is a horrible job [laughing:] because I have to do everybody's jobs.
But Their job was just to establish your dharma. They came at that time in those places where it was needed the most.
So, these Ten Principles, as I told you, They established [dharma].
They are created in the Void.
As you see here the Void part, this part is made out of the water element. So, whatever miracles They did, had something to do with water, like They could create water anywhere They wanted to. They would not cure people. All of Them have created water in the desert or in the places where ... like in ... Nāṇaka has created a Pan̄jā Sāhab they call it, or everywhere They have been able to create water. Whatever They touched, They could create water out of it.
Water is the life, life force which sustains us. Without water we cannot live! The is the sustainance [sustenance].
But, They actually are symbolized in an ocean, in the ocean, because They give us the salt, the salt of life, which gives us the sustainance [sustenance]. If you see the salt, if we do not have salt in our body, we'll have no sustainance [sustenance]."
1980-0728 Public Program, The Principle of Guru (Moderation Is the Way We Really Solve the Problem and The Innocence Is in the Center), Sea is the Guru (The Sea Is to Be Worshiped and So Much to Learn from the Sea) and Your Dharma Is the Way Your Attention Is (Dharma Is Balancing), Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

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"Everything that has happened before has to be proved today. Everything that is said about sustainance [sustenance] and all that is to be proved today: Moses has to be proved, Socrates has to be proved, Abraham has to be proved, everyone has to be proved.
But this is not necessary. Why should anybody prove Them‽
Only in Realization you yourself you have to accept, [laughing:] because without taking Their names the Kuṇḍalinī won't rise. They are true to Kuṇḍalinī: She proves. She proves it to you, that They all were absolutely true people and They wanted you to receive Their Truth."
1980-1020 Public Program, The Way of Kuṇḍalinī, Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

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"This is the story of Great Incarnations on this Earth.
There are so many of Them who were born, I have no time to tell you, but Socrates was the same. His disciple was one of these two. Abraham, Moses, who are propagating Jews."
1981-0207 Public Program, Day 3, Introduction to Nābhī and Void, Mavlankar Hall, Constitution Club of India, Vithal Bhai Patel House, Rafi Mārg, Sansad Mārg Area, Behind Reserve Bank of India, New Delhi, India

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"And these Ten Sustainances [Sustenances] are represented by Great Prophets. The Principle is called as Ādi Guru, in Sanskrit language, the Primordial Master. He had incarnated on this Earth as Abraham, Moses, as Lao Tze, as Confucius, as Socrates. Recently, He has been as Sāī Nāth of Śhirḍī, not the other fellow, and other great people have been like Nāṇaka, Janaka.
All these Great Saints can ... came on this Earth to tell us: how to keep in the center, how to keep our sustenance, how to be human beings.
As carbon has got four valances, we too have got ten valances. We have to maintain those ten valances within us! That's what they came to tell us."
1981-0325 Public Program, Cycle 1, Day 2, Mūlādhāra and Swādhiṣhṭhāna Chakras, Maccabean Hall, 146, Darlinghurst Road, Darlinghurst (eastern suburb of Sydney), New South Wales, Australia

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"Moses, Abraham, Confucius, Socrates, Muhammad, Nāṇak, Janak, Lao Tze, these are the Primordial Masters, the Principle of Primordial Masters, the Ādi Gurus, who incarnated on this Earth to teach us how to keep our sustainance [sustenance]. They taught against all alcohols and strong things."
1981-0402 Public Program, Day 1, The Pure Power of Desire or Aim of Seeking, Royal Exhibition Building, Carlton Gardens, 9 Nicholson Street, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

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"I'll tell you one example, a simple example. There was a gentleman from Iran, he was a doctor, he came to see Me. I mean, it is now we cannot contact him because he's in Iran. But he came to see, Me he was a Muslim. And I told him that: "Muhammad Sāhab was born as Nāṇak Sāhab in India." He could not believe it. He said, "How can it be?"
Though Nāṇak Sāhab had said it, in a way, because Nāṇak Sāhab was sleeping, and somebody told Him that, "You are placing Your Feet towards Mecca." He said, "All right, I'll turn My Fee... Feet to's other side," and the Mecca came that side.
He said, "I can't believe it! I can't believe it." I [he] said, "But Muhammad Sāhab has said that He is the last." I said, "I'm not sure of that, but maybe He must have decided to come back, the way people are."
He could not believe it! And he had stomach cancer, which is caused by one of the reasons is fanaticism.
I told him, "You have to believe in Him. He was one of the Incarnations of the Primordial Master and He was the same, Abraham was the same, Moses was the same, Socrates was the same, and you have to believe it." He said, "I can't believe it." I said, "I can't cure you."
Then he went back and he was very sick. His wife said, "Now, what is there? After all, you see, we became Muslims because our parents were Muslims. And they told us that, 'Muhammad Sāhab was the last.' After all you are to be saved."
Then he came and he said, "All right, Mother, whatever You say, I'm going to say." I said, "Now you pray to Nāṇak Sāhab, instead of Muhammad Sāhab, because it is Muhammad Sāhab who is angry with you."
He got cured. He's still living. He got cured.
Is so simple. We can't believe it: it is so fantastic. It is worth seeing yourself with your own eyes."
1981-0814 Public Program, The Scientific Viewpoint, Quaker Meeting House, 40 Bull Street, Birmingham B4 6AF, West Midlands, UK

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"Now the trouble is: this knowledge was a very secret knowledge, thousands of years back. And it started descending, this knowledge, to people very slowly.
Like on a tree there's only one flower or two flowers in the beginning.
Now, in the sixth century – actually Christ talked about it quite a lot. And the other people, like Moses, and all these people have talked about it. But the ones who wrote, never got anything there perhaps, so they wrote it in a very mystical way like, "I'll appear before you like tongues of flames," or, "The Fir... uh the Tree of Fire" and all that, indicative of all that.
But ah it so happened that in the sixth century, somebody in India, called as Ādi Śhaṅkarāchārya, He was actually Buddha reborn, He started talking about it. Self-realization, of course Buddha talked about it. Then He started telling about these, all these nāḍīs and everything He described.
But there is a poet, in India, whose name is Mārkaṇḍeya, who has written about this. They say He was living in India about, say, ten thousand years back, this poet, about that time.
So this knowledge was known to people but was not put down on the paper, was not circulated, was not for en masse."
1981-0817 Public Program, Seeking the Light, Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

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"[Pointing down from Viśhuddhi chakra to Nābhī chakra on the Chakra Chart:] The connection is that this seeking [slowly makes three and a half clockwise circles inside the Void around the Nābhī chakra on the Chakra Chart:] goes in developing and there are Ten Principles which are described as the Ten Commandments, you can say, or we have got Ten Sūtras is, in Sanskrit language they are called as Ten Sūtras.
Gāndhījī [laughing:] put one more, by saying that, 'We should use only Indian ... Indian things, not foreign things, because then they will dominate us.' So he put ekādeśha [ekādaśha=eleven], he put one more.
But there are Ten, which are here, which are described as [the] Ten Commandments in the Bible.
And [doing a clockwise bandhan from right top to bottom and to left top inside the Void on the Chakra Chart:] these are the Ten Primordial Masters who were born on this Earth. Say we can start from Socrates, then we can think of other, in India was Dattātreya, is the ... Dattātreya is the essence, and He is born as Socrates, He is born as Lao Tze, He is born as Abraham, as Moses, He is born as, up till now we can say, Muhammad Sāhab, Nāṇaka, latest is the Sāī Nāth of Śhirḍī. He is the One who [pointing with one more circle inside the Void on the Chakra Chart:] represents, They all represent, this Primordial Master's Principle of Religion."
1981-0928 Public Program, Day 5, Christ Church (United Methodist), 524 Park Avenue, Manhattan, New York City, NY, U.S.A.

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"Today I would like to say about this chakra especially that is the ... what we call the Nābhī chakra, is the central path of our evolution where you start your seeking and youge [you] cross over to [the] other side.
Now, surrounding this you will find there is the Ocean of Illusion. And this Ocean of Illusion was governed by a Deity, by a special powerful personality whom we call as Dattātreya – is the Primordial Master. And He incarnated on this Earth many a times. At the time of Christ, and even before that, He incarnated as, say, Abraham, Moses, Socrates, Lao Tze. Later on, He incarnated as Muhammad Sāhab, then the same Great Principle incarnated as Nāṇaka, then the same Principle at the last incarnated as Sāī Nāth of Śhirḍī.
So the same Great Principle of this Primordial Master has incarnated because without a master, how will you be taken away from in ... this illusion? How you are going to be exposed to that reality which you do not feel?
What has to happen to you is that you have to become more sensitive, more open, awakened, enlightened to feel that's All-pervading Power around you.
Now, these [masters] came again and again and told you that you must look after your dharma.
Dharma doesn't mean any religion that is being established in the names of these people, because human beings know how to make a pickle out of everyone. They are great 'experts'.
All of Them in essence are one and the same.
But like flowers on the same tree can be taken away from time to time and then when they become ugly and they become completely spoilt, then people can claim, 'This is my flower,' 'This is my flower.' Everybody has become a contractor of this thing.
Actually these people belong to the whole universe, They are universal beings and They came on this Earth to give us a sustainance [sustenance] within us, a sustainance [sustenance].
Dharma means a sustainance [sustenance], that is we can say, that is quality that is ... that is human."
1981-1015 Public Program, Day 4, Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ, 18480 Nordoff Street, Panorama City (32 kms N-NW of Los Angeles), CA, U.S.A.

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Śhrī Mātājī: Is not only that, I'm saying on the whole, a shee ... worship is a tradition which has come to us from great Seers and ancient Sages. Anybody, even, say, Moses, you can say Socrates, you can say Dattātreya, or Mārkaṇḍeya, or any one of these people, have found out the ways and methods how to tune our instruments to the Divine to achieve the maximum joy.
'How to please the Deities,'' that's the main point is, how to please the Deities. But it's a crude word pleases, but how to ... [laughing:] I don't know what should I say, innovation they say, or what do you call that? How to spark them, ...
Sahaja Yogi: Invoke.
Śhrī Mātājī: ... invoke, invoke them. Invoke them: that they give you complete blessings.
And the trick of the trade one has to learn, one has to educate. There's nothing wrong in getting educated.
So we know that we have to educate ourself, first point, and secondly, we have to know, that for that, we have to be humble. The humility should be such: that, 'I have to learn. I have to learn. I have to educate. Nothing ... nothing wrong in it.'
1982-0321 Birthday Pūjā, Āśhram, 44 Chelsham Road, Clapham, London, UK

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"You will be sursprised [surprised] if I tell you the whole history of the relationship between Them. Between Christ and Kṛiṣhṇa, between Muhammad and Christ and Kṛiṣhṇa, there's a big relationship. They are all related to each other, very closely, which you'll find out in Kuṇḍalinī also. It['s] very interesting how They are related, now They have played the game. And They are all settled down within us, you see: all brother sisters, husband wife, all sorts of relationship They have. Is very interesting to see.
But it is not only a story but you can see it yourself, that They are within you.
To say, say, for example if I say that Muhammad Sāhab was the same as Nāṇak, Guru Nāṇak. Imagine: the Sikhs are breaking the necks of Muslims, and Muslims are breaking the uh-uh-uh heads of uh-uh-uh0uh Sikhs, you see. It's a big quarrel going on. But Nāṇak came after Muhammad to teach Muslim-Hindu unity. Because He was surprised the way Muslims are!
But They are one! They are one personality, born again and again: Moses, Abraham, Socrates, all of Them are the same."
1982-0622 Public Program, You All Have to Become Holy People and Attention Becomes Enlightened (Have I Become a Prophet), Reading, Berkshire, UK

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"Surrounding this stomach is the area where one has to cross.
And this area is actually the Area of the Masters. All the Primordial Masters were born in this area, like Moses, Socrates.
There are main basic Ten Primordial Beings, who came on this Earth, who came to give us an idea as to our seeking, what we have to do. Basically, They came here to teach us how to balance ourselves: how to balance so we can ascend.
Now all these Great Prophets or Primordial Beings, we should say They were the Ones who were the Masters, They came to inform us that if you cross too much onto the left side or too much on the right side, then you will be falling in your sustainance [sustenance], in your quality as a human being.
As a human being, you have to have a sustainance [sustenance], and this is the center that gradually unfolds the sustainance [sustenance] from animal to higher animals and to human stage, where a person starts realizing that these sustenances exist within us. That's how all our laws have come. The Ten Commandments of the Bible are the Ten Sustenances that are within us.
These are the Ten Gurus who came on this Earth to save human beings from getting out of the Middle Path, going more to the left and more to the right."
1982-0710 Public Program, Day 1, We Have to Know Something More (Modern Times Are the Times of Confusion, Experience of Your Awareness, and You Become the Spirit), Derby, Derbyshire, UK

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"In the same way, human beings have ten valences. These are described in the Ten Commandments.
This balancing takes place in this area which is shown with the green color.
This balancing is done by people who incarnate on this Earth as Great Prophets. We can say Abraham, Moses, Socrates, and many other Prophets like these, Muhammad, Nāṇak, Janak, all of Them came on this Earth: They were the Incarnations of the Primordial Master. So took to talk about this balancing. And this balancing They told us, because without the balance there cannot be an ascent.
[Aside:] Gentleman, why are you disturbing everyone?"
1982-0928 Public Program, Day 3, Urania Volkshochschulen, Volksbildungshaus, Uraniastraße 1, Vienna, Austria

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"So, to uh establish the balance within us, these people came again and again, these Ten Primordial Beings we saw: some on the left-hand side, some on the right-hand side. It's very symbolic. The whole thing is so wonderful.
So now we can say who They were. From the very beginning, this is Socrates, Moses, Abraham, Lao Tze, we had Muhammad, Nāṇak, Janak, and the last of all was Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth. Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth: the one who lived in Śhirḍī. He is the last Incarnation who came. After Muhammad, Nāṇaka came, after Nāṇaka Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth.
All these are the one and the only ... only one Principle of Primordial Master who came, and They all said the same thing.
First of all, They were against alcohols, against any kind of a[n] intoxication.
But say, at the time of Moses they didn't have cigarettes, you see, so He didn't say about cigarettes, naturally. They didn't have. So the people who follow Moses think, 'There's nothing wrong with cigarettes because He didn't say.' But that time there were no cigarettes, you see?
All these sinful things were devised afterwards."
1982-1029 Talk to Sahaja Yogis, Creation, Original Sin, and Incarnations, Manhattan, New York City, NY, U.S.A.

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"Though this Incarnation is such that It never dies. Even if They leave the body, They are always around.
And They are the Ones who perform lots of miracles when any other Incarnation comes on this Earth. They help, support, guide that seekers to go to the Incarnations.
So, to celebrate His birthday, on such a date, is also a myth because He never died. He is eternally living: They never grow, and They never die.
But His birth is important, because, symbolically, He came on this Earth not to propagate any particular type of the Void as Muhammad did, or, say, Moses did, David did, Moses and then, before that Abraham, Lao Tze, or Socrates, which followed into a religion. But He came to create amenity ... amity we can say, to create understanding, to create unity between the religions.
This was a very big step for Sahaja Yoga.
After that as you know, He was born again, God knows where, no one knows where He was born, but He appeared as Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth. He too said the same thing: that, "To talk ill of any religion is a sin." "
1982-1101 Talk to Sahaja Yogis (Śhrī Guru Nāṇaka Jayanti), Every Sahaja Yogi Has to Become a Guru, Nirmala Palace Āśhram, 99 Nightingale Lane, Balham, London SW12 8LZ, UK

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"You see, they are physically sake [sick] uh because they have lost their roots, they have gone to e-extremes and imbalances.
We cannot go to imbalance, you see. Religion is to keep yourself in balance.
There are Ten Religions in the human being, like ten valencies. As carbon has four valencies, we have ten valencies about which all the Primordial Masters, who came on this Earth, have taught. Like Lao Tze, like Socrates, we can say Abraham, Moses, and many in India also.
They came and told us that we should keep the balance. Balance of our wife [life]. Keep in the center, for the ascent. If you are not balanced you cannot ascend.
But people have gone to extremes. They are faddist[s]. Whatever you tell them: if you tell them that, 'You see, now you are not well, so you do something,' they will do it so much that they'll outwit [laughing:] everything, I can see. They always go to the extreme of everything."
1983-0308 Public Program, Day 1, Royal Exhibition Building, Carlton Gardens, 9 Nicholson Street, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

"Really, the unity within us lies when you become collectively conscious. All this work has been done in the ancient times. As Muhammad was One of the Prophets who came out of the Ten Prophets: Moses, Abraham, Lao Tze, then we had also people like other Prophets, Socrates. Recently we had in India the last One: is the Sāī Nāth, not the Sathya one, but the Sāī Nāth who lived, who was representing this Great Principle of Primordial Master."
1983-0310 Public Program, Day 3, Royal Exhibition Building, Carlton Gardens, 9 Nicholson Street, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

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"Now, what people are enamored is that, if they see some people dancing madly, they feel enamored. Is a sign that you have not been able to understand.
We have seen Christ, we have seen Buddha, Mahāvīra, Kabīra, Nāṇaka, we had Lao Tze and so many others. Did They behave like this? Did They become mad? We have got Moses, did He become mad anytime? Was He mad anytime, behaving like a mad person?
All these new theories have started, I think, fifty years back, or about sixty years back, that people believe in these new theories and they have forgotten all the kn... traditional things that have come to us, our heritage. And we depend more on these nonsensical things, which has no moorings at all! Because the people who are supposed to be the founders of all the religions, have never behave like this, and why this new type of things that has started? That people are behaving in this manner, and accepting it to be a very normal thing."
1983-0315 Public Program, Day 1, Maccabean Hall, 146, Darlinghurst Road, Darlinghurst (eastern suburb of Sydney), New South Wales, Australia

"To think that Moses was separate from Christ is another very big mistake! There's no difference at all!
Christ Himself has said: "Those who are not against Me are with Me." Who are those who are not against Him?
Moses was there on this Earth to cross only this path. It's very symbolic the way He crossed the sea: to show how to cross this path.
He was the Incarnation, one of the Incarnations, of the Primordial Master.
There were Ten Great Incarnations of Primordial Masters. One of them was Moses, Abraham, Lao Tze, Janaka, Nāṇaka. There are ten of Them who were major Incarnations of the same principle. Muhammad.
They are all related to each other. You will be surprised what relation exists between Them. There's no fight, which you learn in your Kuṇḍalinī. They are so integrated and such a concord exists between Them. There's no fight at all.
If there is any fight it is between the evil and the good."
1983-0317 Public Program, Day 3, Maccabean Hall, 146, Darlinghurst Road, Darlinghurst (eastern suburb of Sydney), New South Wales, Australia

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"Now when this center is illumined, around it is illumined your sustainance [sustenance]. That's your Inner Religion.
The ... we call it Ten Incarnations of the Primordial Master. There are many who came, but the Ones who came in India was called as Brahmadeva uh ... was called as Dattātreya, Janaka, Rāja Janaka, the father of Sītā. In China, Lao Tze, Confucius. In uh, in the Bible, Abraham and Moses. And later on, in the uh form of uh Muhammad Sāhab. And then Janaka. No, no, Nāṇaka, I'm sorry, Nāṇaka. Nāṇak Sāhab. And in Greece, it was Socrates. They took birth on all these places. In the end, about fifty years back, or hundred years back, was born Great Primordial Master, in India, in Śhirḍī.
[Helping with the translation:] In Śhirḍī."
1983-0831 Public Program, Day 3, Geneva, Switzerland

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"Now whatever Arneau has told you, or whatever I am going to tell you, is the knowledge of the roots, which was kept secret for thousands of years. And first time in the sixth century people started talking openly about it and telling: what are we inside ourselves.
But all the Great Incarnations who came in this tradition of spirituality, one by one manifested, every time, a new awareness in the human dimension.
In the ancient time when they followed Patañjali Yoga, that time, they were hardly one or two people whom Realization was given. Like Rāja Janaka gave Realization to one person, who was the father-in-law of Śhrī Rām.
Then came Moses, Abraham, all these Great Prophets who tried to establish wit... within us the Divine Laws. They told us what are these Divine Laws within us which act, what are our valances as any element has. Invariably, all of Them, from Socrates onward, They all said that there are ten valances within us, like Ten Commandments, which we have to keep them intact.
Out of these people, the Prophets, came oh most of the religions of early times. Like Judaism and other, Zoroastrism, Lao Tze, all these people were saying the same and same thing, that, 'We must have a balance within ourselves to establish the Divine Laws within ourselves.'
But when Moses saw that the people were so much anti-God and so much anti-Divinity, He put forward a very strong type of a law which we call as śharīat. These laws were made for Jews, but actually they are followed by Muslim people."
1984-0830 Public Program, Lausanne, Vaud, Switzerland

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"Sahaja Yoga is not a new thing. In the tradition of spirituality, it is mentioned, about fourteen thousand years back, by Mārkaṇḍeya, that, 'Ultimately it is the force, within you, of the Holy Ghost, which is called as Kuṇḍalinī, residing in the triangular beau ... bone, has to give the Realization.'
But for that happening, human being had to be prepared. People had to be balanced.
And that is how many Prophets came on this Earth, after that, in the same tradition, to prepare people to have that balance. Right from Abraham, Moses, we see Them, follow Them up up ... up to Rāja Janaka, who was the father-in-law of Rāma, and later on we had so many others like Muhammad Sāhab, Nāṇak Sāhab, on this Earth, to tell us about having a balance in live. They taught us moderation, and not to go to extremes."
1984-0905 Public Program, Day 1, Christian Tradition and Christ, Vienna, Austria

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"Then we have people, in other countries, like Abraham, like Moses, we have Confucius, Lao Tze, we have Kṛiṣhṇa, Rāma, all of Them have said one thing, and one thing: that, "You seek your Spirit." "
1985-0419 Public Program, The Seeking of the Spirit, Hall, Bull Street, Birmingham, UK

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"Now the Indians are very clever, as far as the spiritual side is concerned, I must say. Now they would say that: "We must have at least ten Pūjās, somehow, when Mother comes here." So they'll manage: "This is also there," then, "This is also there," then, "What about Muhammad Sāhabs' birthday?", then, "What about Moses' birthday?", which it they don't know, but they'll find out somehow. [Laughter.] And then, "What about also Lao Tze's birthday, why not find it out? So, when Mother is here, invariably every third day let us have a Pūjā." "
1985-0420 Talk to Sahaja Yogis, Mahāmāyā Śhakti, Seminar, Day 1, Session 1 (morning), Mason Hall, University, Birmingham, West Midlands, UK

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"Now, this question follows another question: that if you are the Spirit, [then] you are your own guide, you are own guru, you are your own master. So now you put your right hand on the upper part of your stomach on the left-hand side, which is the center of mastery. This is the center which is created by the Masters, the Great Masters, who are Sadgurus, who are Real Masters, like Abraham, Moses, Janak, Nāṇak, Lao Tze, Muhammad Sāhab. Now, you take this hand little deep, prarsee [press it], push it little deep into that area in the upper part of the abdomen, and ask a question three times, 'Mother, am I my own guide? Am I my own master? Am I my own guru?' Ask in your heart."
1985-0422 Public Program, Day 1, Université Paris Diderot Paris 7, 5 Rue Thomas Mann, Paris, France

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"They have described that, 'Through the ascent of the Kuṇḍalinī only you can reach your Spirit.' All the Upaniṣhadas, which are the second part of the Vedas, all of them have described the Kuṇḍalinī. Only thing, the difference is: that some said, 'By doing this, by doing that,' 'By uh abstinence,' some said, 'By accepting uh the right part, the central part,' 'By building up your balance,' all these different, different style of things to modulate a human being to lead a moderate life, they have built up their own literature.
But every one of them exist: exist because they want to talk about your ascent to be the Spirit. There's nothing else but that! That's the basic point!
And Kuṇḍalinī is the Fundamental Power which has to be awakened: all of them have the same.
But it happens: that a person who is more extrovert, always tries to go to something new. [Drinks water.] And when he tries to go to something new, he forgets that: 'There has been a tradition of that for ages! And why should we suddenly accept a new idea?'
Confucius, Socrates, Abraham, Moses, later on Christ, all of Them have talked about the Spirit.
Muhammad Sāhab has talked about the Kuṇḍalinī, calling It a 'Asas.
And the word Kuṇḍalinī also is ... has a meaning that it is a coiled-up energy."
1985-0508 Public Program, Day 1, This Is the Knowledge of the Roots, Deutsches Museum, Münich, Germany

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"The reflection of Holy Ghost within us is the Kuṇḍalinī, and the reflection of Christ within us is the Spirit.
[After 12 seconds:] But everybody has played the role. Like Moses, like Abraham, like Socrates, like Lao Tze, everybody has played the role to build up this drama.
They are all part and parcel of One Being. This one you must understand.
When we said, "There is One God," He's not like Tock of Gibraltar. That, even Rock of Gibraltar has got different uh molecules, you see. But to ask, 'God is one,' means, I don't know, I cannot think of [laughing:] something, just a one block. He's not. He has many aspects, and these aspects are expressed in these different ways.
Of course He's one, united, integrated, one. But all these aspects are there.
And this 'One God' is either in the pockets of the priests or the pockets of the Brahmins or the pockets of the mullahs or the pockets of someone. 'One God.' "
1985-0920 Public Program, Memorial Hall, City Hall, Sheffield, UK

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"You'll be surprised when you get your spiritual awakening, your spiritual light, you will see that all of Them who came forward were all related to each other. They were all One Family, only the people who followed them made the mistake of plucking the flowers from the One Free.
So with the spiritual ascent, you rise into a New Religion of Universality.
So wher[e] Socrates, Lao Tze, Abraham, Moses to today's great philosophers, all reside together.
All the Incarnations, like Christ, Kṛiṣhṇa, Rāma, all of Them are related with each other. They came on this Earth to create a [the] milestones of our ascent.
And when you come to Sahaja Yoga, you will be amazed to know: that a new light is thrown in their lives and in the Real Religion.
By just talking about them you cannot believe into such things.
But when you get these Divine Vibrations, you ask the question. And when that is the truth, you start feeling the Cool Breeze flowing into your hands, and you'd know that that's the truth. Because this new awareness has not come in you, that's why you cannot definitely say that, 'This is this.'
It's everything relative at this stage. But at the stage where you become the Spirit, It being absolute, you get Absolute Knowledge.
So we respect all these Great Incarnations, and then understand what They have done for us."
1985-1009 Public Program, Nature of Truth, Salle de La Marseillaise, Palais des Fetes, 34 Boulevard Clemenceau, Strasbourg, France

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"Here [turning and pointing towards the Chakra Chart:] the Guru Tattwa is expressed in the Void, there, where the Ten Gurus actually incarnated basically and they re-incarnated. Say we can start uh-uh from Ādināth. Then we can come to ... other ones, uh-uh-uh ... like Nāṇaka, Janaka. Janaka was-ss much earlier. Then we can say Abraham, Moses-s-s. All these were Guru Tattwa, Socrates. All these were Guru Tattwa people: the people who came as Prophets. The ones who came on this Earth to teach us balance, to teach us the Code of Life.
That was also important part. But that was forgot[ten]!
'Why? Why the code? Why the religion?' Religion is for the ascent, to build you up."
1985-1128 Public Program (Śhrī William Blake's Birthday), Building the New Jerusalem, Hammersmith Town Hall, 1 Riverside Gardens, Hammersmith, London W6 9LE, UK

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"As a result, Kuṇḍalinī has started moving. So now, to enlarge the higher centers, and to give full confidence to the Kuṇḍalinī, we have to put our r... right hand in the upper part of the abdomen on the left-hand side and press it hard, and say here, will full confidence in yourself: 'Mother, I am my own master. Mother, I am my own guide.' Please say it with full confidence. There's no ego about it. With full confidence you must say, so the center of your mastery will open out and the Kuṇḍalinī can pass through well. It's effortless. Only thing we are helping the Kuṇḍalinī to have Her own way upward. This you have to say ten times because there are ten petals to this. This is actually the Ten Commandments which represent these ten petals and there were Ten Sadgurus in the past who came again and again on this Earth: like Prophets, like Moses, like Abraham, like Lao Tze, like Socrates. [After 15 seconds:] Please say this ten times."
1986-0530 Public Program, Day 1, Pyramid, Unity (Church of Christianity), 2929 Unity Drive, Houston, TX, U.S.A.

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""Now, the Dharma, all the religion that is established by Great Prophets, starting right from Socrates, then Sei [Sāī] Nāth, Janaka, up to Guru Nāṇaka, you can say that that was just to establish the balance within us. Moses, Abraham, all of Them did that. They all tried to give us the idea of balancing, of temperance within us, for our ultimate purification."
1988-0609 Public Program, Day 2, Kongresshaus, 5, Margaretengürtel 138-140, Vienna, Austria

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"As we had very great people ... uh ... on this Earth, I have given you the names, as we said there are, there have been Ten Gurus, uh ... starting from Ādināth [Ṛiṣhabhadeva, first Tīrthaṅkara in Jainism], we had Confucius, we had Socrates, and later on we had Abraham, Moses and also up to Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth, we had about Ten Great Gurus, now we have so many here sitting down. They are all gurus, and they have to behave like gurus and they have to the ... do the job of Great Gurus."
1988-0731 Guru Pūjā, The First Principle of the Guru Is the Gravity (First Thing and Foremost Thing Is that We Must Have Gravity in Temperament and Value System of a Balance and You Have to Become the Fruits of Sahaja Yoga), Tent, Grounds around Annapurna Atiram Aparthotel, Pont d'Ansalonga, Ansalonga, Andorra

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"So that's how we have the people who have been doing something for the country, for their uh own generation, talking about it.
In the same way we had very great Saints also, from Confucius, and also we have seen Moses, Abraham, how They tried to uh remove poverty and the slavery from people and to bring them to uh a free country, They worked very hard."
1988-1220 Pūjā (English+Marathi), Garden, little House, Brahmapuri, Maharashtra, India

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"In the early days-s-s, thousands of years back, all over the world there were realized Souls. You can start right from Abraham, to Moses, to Confucius. In India there were many great Saints: Ādināth [Ṛiṣhabhadeva, first Tīrthaṅkara in Jainism], from that, Nāth Pānthis they were called as.
Their job was just to give awakening to people."
1990-0315 Public Program, Department of Religious Studies, University, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

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"Now, so first we put our right hand on our heart. And then we put our right hand in the upper portion of our abdomen where is the center of our mastery. This is created by all the Great Masters. Like Abraham, Moses, Lao Tze, so many of Them who were real Masters, They have created this. Like Guru Nāṇaka, Janaka, all these people have created this great center within us."
1990-0811 Public Program, Canadadeśha, Music Academy, 1270 Chestnut Street, Kitsilano, Vancouver, BC, Canada

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"For example, in the Arabic countries, Zoroaster took birth five times, and later many Ādi Gurus took birth, like Abraham, Moses, and last of all Śhrī Muhammad Sāhib also took birth there. Because it was very necessary, and that is why these Gurus took birth to accomplish some definite work."
1991-0101 New Year Pūjā (Hindi+English), Mukand Steel Factory, Kalwa, Thane, Maharashtra, India

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"So this, in this stage that people tried to murder these great Saints: like Socrates, like uh we know everybody had to suffer so much. Because nobody uh in the collective liked Saints or goodness or righteousness.
That's how we had fallen down so much. At the time, as you know, in the time of Moses, what happened."
1991-1009 Talk to Sahaja Yogis (2nd Day of Navarātri), Creation, From Swādhiṣhṭhān ..., Palazzo Doria, Cabella Ligure, Alessandria, Italy}

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Śhrī Mātājī: [It is] as if the Mahālakṣhmī Principle holds the reins. And you cannot cross the limits: you cannot go too much to the left or to the right.
By this Principle you realize what is wrong with the outside religions. You realize also that inside all the religions are born like flowers on the same of Tree of Spirituality. And automatically you start worshiping all the Prophets, right from Abraham, Moses, Confucius, Lao Tze, Muhammad Sāhab, Nāṇak.
Sahaja Yogi translator: Mh-hm?
Guido Lanza: Confucius, Lao Tze, Nāṇak.
Śhrī Mātājī: You worship Them! It is not that you have respect, but you worship.
And thus you lose the barriers of fundamentalism.
1993-0908 Śhrī Mahālakṣhmī Pūjā, National Palace of Culture (NDK), Boulevard Bulgaria, 1463 NDK, Sofia, Bulgaria

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"In every religion there is some sort of a stupid stuff pushed forward, in every. Nobody could really stop it. Because those people who are in charge of religion have no enlightenment, they have nothing to k... do with it, anywhere.
And that's how, I have seen, people, say, in Japan, they follow one religion, and in uh-uh-uh China they follow another religion, both are just the same: one is Zen, another is Tao. But the misunderstanding is that they think, 'We are ex-xu-xu-xclusive [exclusive].' They are not! None of them are exclusive!.
Muhammad Sāhab described all of Them: from Abraham to Moses, to Christ, to the Mother of Christ. And He said, :There have been more than one lākh Nabīs on this Earth."
But now, why to feel that we are exclusive? This exclusiveness comes from where?
With Christ also, He described all of Them!
Ta-o, the one religion that they follow in China, is nothing but Sahaja Yoga: Ta-o is Kuṇḍalinī. Zen is nothing [laughing:] but Sahaja. Zoroaster, everyone.
But this exclusiveness has brought this problem, and they are fighting among each other."
1995-0321 Talk to Sahaja Yogis, Birthday Felicitations, Nizamuddin Scouts Grounds, New Delhi, India

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"Because as I went to Boston, the TV people asked Me: "How many Rolls-Royces You have?" [As laughter starts:] I said, "I haven't any. I'm sorry. My husband has one single car, that's all. That's sufficient for us!" So they said, "You mean You are not in the business?" I said, "No." [Laughter.] "So we are not interested!"
How can you talk of spirituality when you have this mentality towards spirituality?
How much did you pay to Christ, again? How much did you pay to Kṛiṣhṇa? Or how much did you pay to Zoroaster, or to Moses?
Anybody who talks of spirituality cannot be purchased! And this is what one has to understand."
1996-0924 Public Program, The Olympic Collection, Grand Ballroom, 3rd Floor, 11301 W. Olympic Boulevard, 204, Los Angeles, CA, U.S.A.

[WARNING: Quotes for the period 1980-06 to 2000-04 will follow in due time.]

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"The Primordial Master was also born as Macchindranāth, and again as Zoroaster who was worshiped by the ancient Persians, and still revered by Parsis. Earlier He had taken birth as Abraham and later as Moses, the Fathers of Judaism. In China He was born as Confucius and as Lao Tze, and in Greece as Socrates. He took a very significant Incarnation as Muhammad Sāhib, the Messenger (Paigambar) and founder of Islam, whose daughter Fāṭimah was Sītā reborn, an Incarnation of Ādi Śhakti. She was the origin of the Shiya sect among the Muslims (in Indian dialect Sītā is called Shiya). Yet again He took birth as Guru Nāṇak, founder of the Sikh religion, whose sister was Nāṇakī (Jānakī, i.e., Sītā). Most recently He was born as Śhrī Sāī Bābā of Śhirḍī in the Indian State of Maharashtra where He died in 1918. Altogether there were ten major Avatāras of Dattātreya."
The Book of Ādi Śhakti, Chapter 2: Divine Incarnations – Ambassadors of God, Page 33

"According to the Bible, Sharia is written in the chapter of Jeremiah. These laws were given by Moses to the Jews, whom He found to be in a very decadent state when He came back with His Ten Commandments. So He thought these people required a very strict kind of conduct by which they could reach a certain moral discipline and cleanliness. Otherwise such immoral people could not attain spirituality. Sharia was not accepted by the Jews but was taken up by Muhammad Sāhib later on because He found the Jews were not able to accept it, but He thought He would put it down for people who wanted to follow Islam, meaning surrender to the Divine. I feel it is a misinterpretation. Muhammad Sāhib could not have done it. He was Himself preaching about Rahmat (compassion) all His life. How could He talk about such strict rules for women?
Perhaps He found the people of other religions were even worse than the decadent Jews.
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Actually Hazarat Muhammad never made Islam an exclusive religion in the Qur'ān. He very respectfully talked about Moses, Abraham, Christ and His Mother, one after another. Even so Muslims believe they are exclusive. Jews and Christians also believe theirs are exclusive religions. There is another problem – they believe that Muhammad was the exclusive messenger of God and Christians believe that Christ is the last word, while Jews believe that their Savior has yet to come. If these Incarnations were the last ones why did Muhammad say, "I will send you the Twelfth Mahdī?" Also why did Christ say that He would send the Holy Ghost? We cannot say how long the Jews are going to wait for their Savior to come. They are wailing and crying before the wailing wall wearing the Torah in small amulets, but actually the most important thing for them is to collect the money that they have lent and buy diamonds at any cost."
1995-0929 Meta Modern Era, Chapter 6: Religions

"For example, the war in Bosnia is the misidentification of Croats, Muslims and Serbs. They follow the Christian and Muslim religions. The Croats are Catholic Christians but do they follow Christ? What about Muslims who believe in the Formless God and despite this fight for land? Actually, Muhammad never talked of an exclusive religion. He talked about Abraham, Moses and Christ in a series and the fourth was Himself. Even Christ talked about Abraham and Moses. Why do people who follow Moses, Christ or Muhammad fight? They have the same roots. At least these three religions should produce people who understand the oneness of their religions. Of course, the Hindu religion is not exclusive. It accepts all the religions but even Hindus in charge of religious affairs have made different laws for different religions. They are taking advantage of the minorities for votes in the Democracy."
1995-0929 Meta Modern Era, Chapter 7: Peace

"In Japan we had another great Master whose name was Viditama. He was the disciple of Lord Buddha and he went to Japan and started the Zen system. Zen means meditation – dhyāna – and he wanted people to become "thoughtlessly aware". He found out many ways of making people "thoughtlessly aware" – the tea ceremony and the temples that they have, are all meant to create thoughtless awareness. I was amazed that none of the Japanese knew what the purpose of these gardens were. There is one garden which has some moss on top of a hill in a very small area and it is very interesting. You have to see the flowers and other foliage there through a magnifying glass. All this should amaze a person and one should become thoughtlessly aware. That was the idea of Zen, but surprisingly, few understood Zen. Then there was a Prophet, Zoroaster, who was born five times in His country, Persia. Ultimately Muhammad Sāhib had to come to say something very clearly about religion. But the people who followed Muhammad Sāhib, never realized the oneness of His preaching or that of Zoroaster, and they made all the Persians run away to all the other countries and so many of them came to India.
Muhammad Sāhib has talked about Abraham, Moses, Christ in a series as They came one after the other. He has talked about the Mother of Christ especially with great respect. In the Bible She is not given so much respect because of Paul who edited the Bible. She is just called "the woman". But Prophet Muhammad says that anyone who talks against this Holy Lady will be punished, or something to that effect. So one can see that Muhammad Sāhib never talked of an exclusive religion called "Islam" (i.e., I surrender to God Almighty). But so many followers of Islam are fighting the followers of other religions and even amongst themselves."
1995-0929 Meta Modern Era, Chapter 8: World Peace

"As the Kuṇḍalinī rises into the third part, next to the Nābhī chakra, we become absolutely righteous. This area, which we call as the Ocean of Illusion, is enlightened by Ten Principles of Mastery. The Great Masters have created these ten centers of commandments which are enlightened and we become holy. There is no need to be strict in one's behavior. We automatically become really spiritual. Like an egg becomes the bird, we are born twice. In Sanskrit a Yogi or the one who knows Brahma, meaning the All-pervading Power, is called dvija and a bird is also called dvija, meaning twice-born. There were Abraham and Moses and all the Ten Primordial Masters who have been born again and again on this Earth. Zoroaster has been born five times and also so many of these were born in different places in different countries to guide the people to take to religious life to establish the necessary balance for the ascent."
1995-0929 Meta Modern Era, Chapter 11: The Subtle System

Jay Śhrī Mātājī!