ŚHRĪ GURU NĀṆAKA in the Words of ŚHRĪ MĀTĀJĪ

"References to Kuṇḍalinī awakening abound in many of the Indian Scriptures. Some of these are Vāsiṣhṭha Yoga, Ṛigveda, Puruṣha Sūkta, Upaniṣhads of Atharvaveda, Yogopanishad, Yogaśhikhā Upaniṣhad, Kaṭhopaniṣhad and Yoga Kuṇḍalinī Upaniṣhad. In the Purāṇas are Devī Bhāgavat[am] Purāṇa, Mārkaṇḍeya Purāṇa, Śhrī Bhāgavat[a] Purāṇa, etc. In Sanhitas: Haṭh[a] Yoga Sanhita, Laya Yoga Sanhita, Rāj Yoga Sanhita, Śhiv Sanhita. In the Yoga tests: Haṭha Yoga Pradīpikā, Saundaryalaharī, Śhubhodayam, Lalitā Sahasrānam, and by Saints such as Bhakt Kabīr, Nāṇak, Gyāneśhwar, etc."
1900-0000 Quote from the book Divine Knowledge through Vibrations (1992) by P.T. Rajasekharan and R. Venkatesan, Pages 73 and 74

"Guru Nāṇak Dev has made lot of references to Kuṇḍalinī awakening in the sacred book, Śhrī Guru Granth Sāhib. Kuṇḍalinī has been referred to as Surati and Daśham Dwār [Tenth Door], means Brahmarandhra or opening up of anterior fontanel area on Kuṇḍalinī awakening."
1900-0000 Two Quotes from the book Divine Knowledge through Vibrations (1992) by P.T. Rajasekharan and R. Venkatesan, Page 77

"You can read Nāṇaka, Kabīr Dās, you read Vasiṣhṭha, read about the Guru of Gurus Janak. Not only in our country but also in the foreign countries they have been writing like this for thousands of years. They have all been writing about which I am talking."
1973-0715 Public Program (Hindi) (Guru Pūrṇimā), Sahaja Yoga a New Discovery, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India (other possible dates 1974-0704, 1975-0723, or 1976-0711)

"But the essence of all the religion is to get it.
Those who are realized, all such Gurus like Guru Nāṇak, He says that, "Sahaja Samādhi lago, sahaja Samādhi lago." He says, "Kāhe re ban khojan jāe, Sarab nivāsī sadā alepā tohī saṃg[a] samāī, Puṣhpamadhya jo bāsa basata hai mukara māhī jaise chhāī, Taise hī harī base niraṃtara ghaṭa hī khojo bhāī." ["Why to go to forest when he is all there residing in you, just like the fragrance which is there within the flower and the refection of face in a mirror, just like that God is also within us, seek Him, within seek within".]"
1973-1117 Public Program (Hindi), Day 1, 4 Duplex Lane, New Delhi, India

"She is the Mother. If you can think of: She is the Mother of all the Mothers.
How a mother sees her child, She sees Her Creation.
First, She creates through the Divine Power, acting on the Material Power, all the Creation.
And then, She comes again and again, again and again, in three different forms.
She comes as a Mother Herself. Then She is most powerful and expressive.
As She has come, you know, as Nava Durgā She has come, as Mother Mary She has come, as Quan Yin She has come. She has come in many forms in many parts of the world. She came as Muhammad's daughter, She came as Nāṇaka's sister, She came as Janaka's daughter. Only one person, all the time, coming in this world in different forms."
1973-1124 Public Program, Day 6, 4 Duplex Lane, New Delhi, India

"To make the people cross the Void (Bhavasāgara) He has to make some arrangement. So the Great Power like Brahmā, Viṣhṇu, Maheśha was created and They were placed in the Area of Dharma.
Dattātreya and Ādi Gurus incarnated in this world many a times. He incarnated as King Janaka who was like the father of Ādi Śhakti. After that He incarnated in Iran as Zoroaster, then as Macchindranāth, then as Muhammad Sāheb and Nāṇak Sāheb.
No one fought with each other. See what type of darkness you are in?
Fāṭimah, the daughter of Muhammad Sāheb was the same who became daughter of King Janaka.
Whom are you fighting? Think over it.
The Nāṇakī of Guru Nāṇaka was none else but Jānakī.
Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth was also an Ādi Guru.
They are the Masters of all.
Also, They are My Gurus. These Ādi Gurus taught Me all this Knowledge. In different Incarnations They kept Me teaching.
Ultimately I had to come and do His work. They could not do it and now They are placing Me as a Guru so that I take up the job of a Guru.
There was an age when no one was willing to accept a woman as a Guru but in Kali Yuga only Mother could do His work: it is beyond the power of men.
This work could not be done by force, only the love of a Mother could do it because already there is so much pressure, tension in this world. The day it is forced upon the human being they will break down. So, love is the only way out.
So this Gurudom was given to Me. Everything is acceptable to Me.
But I didn't know the qualities of a Guru.
Gurus maintain distance but mother does not keep distance with the children. Children sit on her head.
So, you people also could take liberty with Me and enjoy. Be with Me with full freedom, you will neither be afraid nor be embarrassed. There is no problem, you could come and talk to Me boldly about your problems. You could complain to Me as you do to your mother. I am freely available to you.
Freedom was needed, religion was required to be discussed openly, there is no secret, no secret about it. Ultimately everything has to be explained very clearly. All the secrets are to be told about, everything could not be said everywhere."
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Śhrī Kṛiṣhṇa had only one Son who was Praṇava incarnate. Think of it, He was Auṃ incarnate. He incarnated on this Earth. His name was Jesus Christ. Mary was His Mother. He was placed on the Āgñyā chakra.
On Āgñyā one has to face ego and superego. You see your Āgñyā chakra controls your pineal (śhaṅku granthi) and pituitary body (pīyūṣh granthi), it is scientifically proved.
So He pushes away the evil spirits from your Āgñyā because these spirits sit on superego. They could sit in ego also because Iḍā and Piṅgalā cross each other on Āgñyā chakra.
So Lord Jesus put His hand on this plexus first of all.
It was done at the time of Nāṇak Sāheb.
In all ages these ghostly powers came to do encroachment. But Śhrī Kṛiṣhṇa has such a destructive power that He cut their throats.
So on Āgñyā chakra is the name of Lord Jesus."
1973-1125 Public Program (Hindi), Day 7, Pāne ke Bāda: Sāta Chakroṃ ke Devatā (After Getting It: Deities of the Seven Chakras), 4 Duplex Lane, New Delhi, India

"But before reaching the Heart chakra, the gap I showed you, is all the Bhavasāgara. In the center is the seat of Śhrī Viṣhṇu, and on it Śhrī Brahmadeva creates the whole universe. He made this Bhavasāgara.
After creating the Bhavasāgara, the question was, 'How to cross it over? The human being was created, but how to make him realize it? How to make human beings recognize it? In him, how to activate the Brahma Tattwa?' Meaning, 'How to get the Union of Śhiva and Śhakti within him? How would the connection be established?'
For this, a special personality was created in this world. This was created by the combined essence of Brahmā, Viṣhṇu, and Maheśh, who we acknowledge as Śhrī Dattātreya. Śhrī Dattātreya is none other than Ādi Guru.
He is My Guru. He has mentored Me all His past lives.
If you hear about His birth and all His previous lives you would be amazed. We have forgotten such a great thing.
Śhrī Dattātreya's Incarnations are numerous. Firstly He came as King Janaka. Śhrī Sītājī was His daughter, who was the embodiment of Śhakti Herself. Then He came as Macchindranāth, Zoroaster, and Muhammad Sāhab, who were a completely different type of human being.
They trialed out lots of different things.
Śhrī Datta, the Primordial Masters firstly in this world educated us about the symbolic forms within us. And then also said that, "You people got entangled in symbolism, in idol worshiping." Their meaning was to go beyond and recognize the Śhakti within these idols. That's why They talked about the idols.
For example, there is a flower, and to describe the honey within the flower, They talked about the flower first, from which the people would taste the honey. But people got stuck to flower. So Then they took Incarnations and talked about the honey.
In that, They talked about God in the abstract. They deliberately didn't talk about the reincarnation of life.
Because as soon as you talk about past lives, people ask Me, "Mātājī, tell me about my past lives." The life that has passed, why do you want to know that? Whether you were a king or a pauper, what difference it will make?
That's why They did not discuss past lives.
Muhammad Sāhab was the same, Dattātreya's Incarnation, and the same Incarnation was King Janaka. The same Incarnation was Nāṇaka, whose sister Nāṇakī, was the same Ādi Śhakti. She was Sītājī."
1973-1208 Public Program (Hindi), Day 2, Biralā Krīṛā Keṃdra, Chowpatty, Girgaum Chowpatty, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

"The same Śhrī Dattā incarnated many a times on the Earth.
As I told you yesterday, King Janaka was one of Them. King Janaka was the father of Jānakī [Śhrī Sītā]. He was none other than the Incarnation of Śhrī Dattātreya.
Thereafter, Macchindranāth, most have you must have heard His name, was also His Incarnation.
After that Zoroaster who came three times on the Earth, He was also His Incarnation.
After that Muhammad Sāhab, who was His Incarnation.
And when He was asked that, "Bhāī [Brother], there must have been others also before You," then He replied, "Yes, there [was] a Muhammad." Then again He was asked who was before Him. He replied, "There was one Muhammad."
Muhammad means Praise, the One who is praised, the One who deserves to be praised and is the One who is Redeemer of the world.
They were all Muhammads, They were all Dattātreyas, who came on Earth regularly.
After that [was] Nāṇaka, Guru Nāṇaka. If you ever read His teachings, if you read His talks then you will be surprised that He has always talked in a Sahaja. He has said, "Sahaja Samādhi lago." He has said, "Kāhe re ban khojan jāe, Sarab nivāsī sadā alepā tohī saṃg[a] samāī, Puṣhpamadhya jo bāsa basata hai mukara māhī jaise chhāī, Taise hī harī base niraṃtara ghaṭa hī khojo bhāī." ["Why to go to forest to find Him, He is always there with you just like there is a fragrance in a flower and just as the reflection is there in a mirror, in the same way God is residing in you eternally, seek Him within."] He is just inside, achieve Him just inside. We are just singing poem, singing songs, we are just cramming His prescription.
The talk of seeking this Absolute Principle, residing just inside the heart, has been made since ancient times by these Ādi Gurus, who are incarnated on this Earth again and again.
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After Nāṇak Sāhab, around fifty, sixty years ago in our Maharashtra Dattātreya incarnated as Sāī Bābā of Śhirḍī. If you want proof of it, then you get your Realization and after that if you put your hand on anyone, then you will get vibration of same kind: from just vibration only you can know about all."
1973-1209 Public Program (Hindi), Day 3, Śhrī Dattātreya Jayanti, Biralā Krīṛā Keṃdra, Chowpatty, Girgaum Chowpatty, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

"Like Nāṇak Sāhab has said, "Kāhe re ban khojan jāe, Sarab nivāsī sadā alepā tohī saṃg[a] samāī, Puṣhpamadhya jo bāsa basata hai mukara māhī jaise chhāī, Taise hī harī base niraṃtara ghaṭa hī khojo bhāī": "Why to go to forest to find Him, He is always there with you just like there is a fragrance in a flower and just as there is reflection in a mirror, in the same way God is residing in you eternally, seek Him within." They will repeatedly say, "Ghaṭ hi khojo" [seek Him within], "Ghaṭ hi khojo." It was just the prescription that they gave to take the medicine and we are just cramming that prescription."
1973-1219 Public Program (Hindi), Nagpur, Maharashtra, India (other date 1222)

"And those who are fighting amongst themselves, they should also know: for whom they are fighting among themselves, are the same. Like for Muhammad Sāhib and Guru Nāṇak. Muhammad Sāhib and Guru Nāṇak was the same person. They had one identity.
From the life of Nāṇakjī, I will tell you, once He was lying down. People asked Him, "Why are You lying down with Your Feet towards Mecca, where there is Kaaba?" He said, "OK, I turn My Feet, Kaaba has tuned."
What is Kaaba? It is dust from Muhammad Sāhib's Feet and the same is of Nāṇak Sāhib also. Both are the same person and I will introduce Them in Kuṇḍalinī.
When someone gets cancer, he can be cured by either Nāṇak Sāhib or Muhammad Sāhib, no one else. Because what we call Void, is known to doctors, we call it Bhavasāgar, Dattātreya, who is Ādi Guru, who helps us in crossing Bhavasāgar, where all Gurus are present, unless you take the name of one of Them, you are not going to be free from problems of Bhavasāgar, which manifests as cancer. You can recognize cancer from the throb here. You cannot be cured.
I want to ask, 'How many Muslims are here and how many Sikhs?'
One thing, Muhammad Sāhib has prohibited the drinking of alcohol. He said, "Don't touch alcohol." He did not say anything. He was murdered. I know to what state He was reduced to.
Sometimes at the mosque there will be fights over small leftovers.
And I want to ask those Muslims who drink and remind them about Muhammad Sāhib. They won't like it and they definitely will drink alcohol. Not only that, [but] they wrote poetry on alcohol. For them alcohol is God."
1974-0326 Public Program (Hindi+English), Day 2, Biralā Krīṛā Keṃdra, Chowpatty, Girgaum Chowpatty, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

"Christ, who had warned against walking the path of such bhūts, the so-called followers of the same Christ, these Christians, are now scavenging the graveyards for blood and ashes and are practicing these dark arts. Christ had spoken to great lengths about them and the damages they cause. So had Nāṇak."
1975-0121 Talk to Sahaja Yogis (Marathi), Day 2, Bhoḷepaṇā ani Nirvichāritā Killā (Innocence and the Fort of Thoughtless Awareness), Sweet Home, Dadar, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

"So many Gurus and Avatāras, Ṛiṣhi Munis, have talked about ascent of man. Christ, Muhammad Sāhib, Guru Nāṇak, all these people have talked about this, 'That you have to go beyond this māyā [illusions], this Bhavasāgar [Void], this misidentification.'
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These who believe in the reality of Hinduism, in the reality of their religion, must go to the essences of religion.
Now there are many Sikhs. I can talk about Guru Nāṇak. Guru Nāṇak has clearly said, I would say nobody has said so clearly as He, so clearly has said it, "Kāhe re ban khojan jāe, Sarab nivāsī sadā alepā tohī saṃg[a] samāī, Puṣhpa madhaye jo was basat hai makar mahi jas jhahi, Taise he harī base niraṃtara ghaṭa hī khojo bhāī": you are just singing these songs from morning till evening in your Darabār Sāhib. These are the descriptions your Great Guru has given you to search within your ghaṭ. When are you going to do that? Stop all that!
I am not against your bhajan. But now entertainment is not the way. Let it be over now. Let us search it within ourselves.
Find out that center which He has said. What are we singing about? Have we done any justice to our Guru? Have we done any justice to our Ādi Śhaṅkarāchārya? Have we done any justice to Christ or to Muhammad Sāhib? We have not. We are doing just the opposite of what They have told us.
Muslims are very fanatic people.
I would say Muhammad Sāhib was the least fanatic personality.
He suffered so much. I think, in that Incarnation, no Guru has suffered as much as He has. He suffered too much beyond description. Ultimately He was given poison. He was killed."
1975-0300 Public Program, 10 King George Avenue (now Rajaji Mārg), Meena Bagh, Krishna Manon Lane Area, New Delhi, India (Anant Jeevan, Issue 2, Pages 8–11)

"Many people have said this many times and if you look at all the great men of religion (dharm puruṣho), no one of Them took to saṃnyās. Except for the Nāth Pānthis. And even they had a difficult path.
You know that Janak was a king and He lived like a king but people call Him Videhi [Videha, incorporeal]. That is why Jānakī is called Vaidehī.
You know that Nāṇak was married and Kṛiṣhṇa also married. Rāma also married. And like you, They were family loving people of the world. None of Them took saṃnyās, etc.
Neither did these people gave importance to [Haṭha] Yoga. Only Patañjali gave special importance to [Haṭha] Yoga.
But no one reads Patañjali also. They accept any fifth or sixthhand information coming about [Haṭha] Yoga. And considering it important, and they start doing Yoga what is called as Haṭha Yoga.
Haṭha Yoga is very harmful for normal people who live in a family.
Now why does this happen? How does it happen? This I am going to explain to you. You stay open-minded. If you are open-minded, you will understand My talk just now. Whatever powers human beings have got, they are limited."
1975-0317 Public Program (Hindi), Day 1, Session 1, Gita Mandir Hall, Bharatiya Vidyā Bhavan (3rd floor), 29, Kulapati K.M. Munshi Mārg, Chowpatty, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

"Despite the wealth, property, prosperity, power or position you have, you might [be] kings and queens but you won't get joy unless you stand in the Kingdom of Joy. When you stand in the Kingdom of Joy, then in any case you become kings and queens. No one can purchase you or conquer you. You conquer everything. You become kings.
Such great kings have come and gone in this country. In this Maharashtra, a great personage took birth who lived in a small village in Śhirḍī. People never understood His kingship, in what enjoyment He used to live. In this India, there was another king in Guru Nāṇak. Another was Kabīr. Did They enjoy any royal comforts? Today, the whole world lies at Their Feet.
I am present before you today only to bring fulfillment to all Their teachings and Their work. Nothing They said was false. What Jesus said, what Kṛiṣhṇa said, what is written in the Gītā, what is written in the Bible, what is written in the Qur'ān will be proved by Me.
In looks, I am just an ordinary lady. All right, the power flowing through Me will prove how the Unconscious is working.
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Now the state of the scientists is this. In America, many people have started smoking marijuana and other drugs. So, a committee of five scientists was formed to find out what are the effects of taking these drugs. When they went to find out, they got possessed by bhūts. As a result, the scientists themselves started smoking drugs and resigned from their jobs. If they were such great scientists then why did they start smoking marijuana? Why do they drink so much alcohol?
Muhammad Sāhib told that alcohol should be avoided and Nāṇak Sāhib told that alcohol should be avoided.
But if they can do the same through science then I will accept that science is great."
1975-1222 Public Program (Hindi), Day 1, Prabhu ke Prem kā Anubhav (Experiences of Lord's Love), Gita Mandir Hall, Bharatiya Vidyā Bhavan (3rd floor), 29, Kulapati K.M. Munshi Mārg, Chowpatty, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

"Now the ... these three aspects, the essence of these aspects, or we can say the innocence of these three aspects, is combined in the Primord[i]al Guru, or the Ādi Guru Dattātreya, who resides in the Bhavasāgara and helps Śhrī Viṣhṇu for your evolution.
Now He has taken many Incarnations, mainly Ten Incarnations. And these are very important, and we have to understand Them in Their full entirety.
If you accept Him as Dattātreya, you have to also accept Him as Rāja Janaka.
It's easy for a Hindu mind to accept Rāja Janaka, but they cannot accept Muhammad Sāhab, who was same as Rāja Janaka. It is a fact which can ... we can prove it on your Kuṇḍalinī.
A person who is suffering from cancer of the stomach – now this is the thing, when I say that Sahaja Yoga can cure your cancer, you have to give up certain notions that we have in our hear... head.
A person, eh supposing he's a Hindu, and he's suffering from the stomach cancer, I have to ask him to take the name of Muhammad Sāhab. If I fail to ask him or if I convince ... do not him ... convince Him, I cannot cure his can't ... cancer. I'm sorry, I tell him, 'I just cannot do it.' But if he is a Muslim, I have to tell him: 'You have to take the name of Dattātreya.'
Human beings, like fools, have taken away the living flowers of one tree, and now are fighting on something that is dead.
He was Dattātreya. There is no doubt about it.
And His daughter Fāṭimah was nobody else but Sītā Jānakī Herself.
And Her two sons, Hasan and Husayn, were nobody else but Lava and Kuśha. They were born again and again: They were born as Mahāvīra and Buddha, and then They were born as Hasan and Husayn.
It is only possible through Sahaja Yoga to realize that this is the Truth, this is the fact.
He was born as Nāṇaka. And Nāṇakī was nobody else but Jānakī.
In Nāṇaka's life He has expressed it. Of course I don't know how many people have read about Nāṇak.
Nāṇaka one day was sleeping, and His Feet were towards Kaaba. And people were getting vibrations from that side, so they said: "What are You doing your? Your Feet are towards Kaaba!" So He said, "All right, I'll turn My Feet's on the other side." And they started getting vibrations from the other side. They said, "What? Kaaba has moved or what?"
He has, in a way, showed.
'But how dare They say many things?' When They said very few thing[s], they have killed all these people and tortured Them.
If you read Muhammad Sāhab['s] life, you will feel, 'What foolish people we have been, the way we have tortured [Him]!'
For fanaticism the way He was killed!
Actually was poisoned. He had no place where to hide His head the way people were after Him, because He was telling the Truth.
And fanaticism is one thing He fought.
So, Guru Tattwa is killed as soon as you become a fanatic person. Your Guru Tattwa is immediately finished, as soon as you take to fanaticism of any kind!"
1976-0205 Public Program (Vasant Pañchamī), Day 2, Description of Kuṇḍalinī, after Śhrī Viṣhnu Havan, New Delhi, India

"From Nāṇakjī to Kabīr Dāsjī have talked about this. I am talking about the modern time. Gyāneśhwarjī and all have spoken about it a lot. But nobody understood it.
Like He [Kabīr Dās] said, "Pañcha pacchīsoṃ pakaṛ mām̐gauṃ, eka hī ḍorā baṛhaunāgā" [controlling five senses and twenty-five ways of experiencing the world and stringing them with the oneness of Inner Self much like a garland]. In this Kabīr Dāsjī, is talking about Collective Consciousness. He has spoken of Iḍā, Piṅgalā, and Suṣhumṇā naḍī, also about Śhūnya Śhikhar.
Guru Nāṇak also has mentioned in His Granth.
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Another thing is, here in Bhavasāgar, all Three, Brahmā, Viṣhṇu, Maheśhwar, combined to make a child, who is called Ādi Guru, is known as Dattātreya. There were many Incarnations of Him. And His Child Tattwa also took Incarnations. First was Dattātreya, then came Rāja Janak. Like this, many Incarnations came, Rāja Janak, Nāṇak, Zarathustra, Muhammad Sāhab, Sāī Nāth of Śhirḍī.
They are all one. Are They or not? You can witness it after Self-realization. If you believe in one Guru, like Nāṇak, then you have no right not to accept Muhammad Sāhab. If you get Muhammad Sāhab and not Nāṇak, then you have no authority as well.
You will be surprised, most of the cancer disease comes from the imbalance of Bhavasāgar, you follow one but not the other. Cancer also comes when we don't follow Them.
Like He forbade two things, like not to smoke a cigarette and not to consume alcohol.
Alcohol is entirely not allowed. Here, in Sahaja Yoga, if someone is habituated to drink alcohol, they will leave it. If they don't leave alcohol, it will [not] be in moderation because both of these things go against Guru Tattwa.
If Guru Tattwa is not established within us, we cannot have our evolution. Guru Tattwa is essential. Guru Tattwa is one destiny for all religions. There is one flow from all the religions."
1976-032x Public Program (Hindi), Day y, Advertised as 'Kuṇḍalinī Awakening', New Delhi, India (date to be confirmed)

"You can have free cabaret, and you can have free discourses on all the nonsensical things debasing God Himself! All these things are so interesting to human being! Are they really seeking the Truth? Are they really asking the reality?
They will never read Śhaṅkarāchārya!
Yesterday I told you: 'They will never go and find out what Mārkaṇḍeya had written! They have no time to find out what Jesus has to say about it! They don't know what Muhammad Sāhab has said!'
Nāṇak Sāhab said so many things, Kabīra has said so many things. 'They are all fools!'
These 'wise' have come from somewhere to teach us about all these satanic methods that they want to employ on us. So be ware! Be careful! This is a ghor Kali Yuga. All these satanic forces are acting!"
1976-1222 Talk to Sahaja Yogis (English+Hindi), Spirits of the Dead, Sweet Home, Dadar, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

"This is the reason why, when Muhammad Sāhab came in, He preached that you should not bow to anyone, whatsoever. Because boing [bowing] He knew that when the real person will come, you will recognize Him in any case.
But there was a general rules, even Nāṇak Sāhab we can ...... And Nāṇak Sāhab organized a very thick book, just a symbol of wisdom of many Great Souls, that you can only go and bow to that and not to anybody else.
[unclear] and Muhammad Sāhab are just the same.
But the followers, as usual, have committed such blunders that it appears that they are not the followers, but they are the enemies of these Great Incarnations."
1977-0126 Talk to Sahaja Yogis (28th Republic Day), Day 1, Collective Phenomena and We Have to Be Responsible, Bordi, Maharashtra, India (likely Day 2, continuation of the Talk on Attention and Joy)

"Most of the writers, most of them, have self-interests vested. They have some or other interests like befooling people, making money or showing off, etc.
By Grace of Almighty few Great Saints have been there and they also wrote something. However, they did not publish anything themselves but later their scripts were published, for example Kabīr Dāsjī, Guru Nāṇak, Rāmdās Swāmī, Tukārām. In ancient times, we had Sage Vālmīki, Yog Vāsiṣhṭha and many other Saints.
But people would find it difficult to identify right and wrong ones amongst them all."
1977-0215 Public Program (Hindi+English), Day 2, Sat-chit-ānanda, New Delhi, India

"Muhammad Sāhib has clearly said, "No intoxications. Nothing! Nothing at all!"
Nāṇak has said the same.
They are both the same people, you will be surprised. Same people born at different times: same people, teaching the same thing.
Nāṇak said the same thing: "No smoking, nothing!"
But today there are no Sikhs, in the morning they were.
Sikhs are fighting in London, that, "We should not wear the helmets." Imagine.
Where is it written? In which book Nāṇak Sāhab has written this, I would like to see. That helmets – on the contrary He said, "Bheṣh kā kyā phāyadā kā?," "What is the use of changing your dress?"
And they are fighting on this point.
But the ways a Sikh's drink in London, I mean the Britisher are ashamed. Say, I mean, they ... they think they are no good compared to Sikhs, the way they can consume.
And they are fighting in the name of religion! Is a fact, I'm telling you.
That the helmet they cannot wear! Because they must have a right and freedom to crack their heads on a scooter. What is this?
[Laughing:] And there is a big procession every, I think every Sunday they take it out, 'against protecting'. My head's off to all these people.
That is what they have done out of Nāṇak Sāhib.
And the Muslims, think of them, they have written poetry on drinking.
Now if I say, 'You don't have to drink,'' they will think, 'This Lady is talking from [laughing:] about ten thousand years back.' But is a fact, I'm telling you: it is not meant for human consumption at all, none of these are!
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He has incarnated only once on this Earth, and you'll be surprised if I tell you who was that: is Hazarat ʿAlī. He was the son-in-law of Muhammad Sāhab.
Muhammad Sāhib is the Incarnation of the Primordial Master or the Ādi Guru, who incarnated in the Void, in the Bhavasāgara. And He is the same as Nāṇak.
But if I tell this to Muslims, they'll kill Me, or the Sikhs will kill Me, one of the two. I don't know who will come first.
I don't think this time they are going to crucify, but they are not going to like it."
1977-0222 Public Program, Day 1, About Different Chakras and Their Deities, Gāndhī Bhawan, Delhi University, North Campus, GC Narang Road, Timarpur, New Delhi, India

"That's why I say that the family is the most important unit of every nation. All efforts must be done to retain the holiness, the respect, and the greatness of marriage institution.
That's why all the Incarnations have been married people. And even the Gurus, like Guru Nāṇak and all these people, have been married! And They have been leading a normal married life.
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Surprisingly, Christ was a man who ... Of course Nāṇaka has written, I must say Nāṇaka has written such a lot against them, thank God. I hope the Sikh people are not running after such people, I hope so. But Kabīr has written, Tukārām has written. Kabīr has lashed these people with khecharīs and this and that, lashed them completely. But who reads Kabīr? These piśhāchas [demons], these rākṣhasas, have been lashed by so many poets of this country. They have told, 'Not to go near these people who divert your attention from the subtle to the grossest things.' But nobody reads them."
1977-0223 Public Program, Day 2, The Normal Human Consciousness and Beyond Human Awareness, Gāndhī Bhawan, Delhi University, North Campus, GC Narang Road, Timarpur, New Delhi, India

"And we have to prove the existence of God. We have to prove that He exists and He works, and all those people, Chaitanya Laharīs and all that talks about Kabīra and Nāṇaka and Hiraṇya Saṃhitā and all your Yoga, I'm going to prove it to you before."
1977-0322 Public Program, Questions and Answers, Gita Mandir Hall, Bharatiya Vidyā Bhavan (3rd floor), 29, Kulapati K.M. Munshi Mārg, Chowpatty, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

"Like Christ has said that, "One should not take the help of ghosts and phantoms." Muhammad Sāhab has said, "Don't take alcoholic drinks," etc. Rāja Janaka has said that, "You should treat all humans with the same attitude in the presence of Parameśhwar." Nāṇak has said, "The Parameśhwar dwells in all human beings in this world." He also prohibited all narcotics. But what are His ardent followers and close supporters doing? What are Christ's supporters doing?"
1977-0323 Public Program (Hindi), Prem Dharma (Dharma of Love), Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

"Now, this Guru was created when the world was created itself. Because we ... one had to create a Guru before the world was created in then Vaikuṇṭha Stage only.
But then He reincarnated many a times.
At the time of Rāma, very early, even before Rāma came into this world, much earlier than that, He was created by Satī Anusūyā. She was Herself a part of the Ādi Śhakti, who created Him out of the essences, the innocence of Brahmā, Viṣhṇu and Maheśh.
There's a legend about it which I will tell you sometime.
And She created Him. Actually, She created Him, so She's the Mother.
But then, She becomes the Guru.
When She is born as Sītā, He becomes the father. So, She ... father is Her Guru.
Then, when Rāja Janaka is born as Muhammad Sāhab, then She becomes again the daughter.
But when He is born as Nāṇaka, then He becomes the ... She becomes His sister.
So the relationship exists and whenever He is born, She is born, in a way, that, you see, that relationship is kept a sublime relationship. I mean to say: that they are never born as husband and wife."
1977-0701 Guru Pūjā (Guru Pūrṇimā Day) (first more formal Pūjā in the West), Self-realization, Living Room, Gavin Brown's Geological Institute (Terrace House), 160 North Gower Street, 2nd Floor, Euston, London, UK

"Nāṇak, Guru Nāṇaka, He has written at least three, four chapters against these tāntrikas and māntrikas and these paiśhāchikas and these chaṇḍas.
IIn India it's an abuse to say – I mean I have to first time used these words for the ... for My tongue – is an abuse to call somebody like this. If you say that to someone then the people say, 'Oh, God!' They are kept outside like lepers!
Kabīra has written books after books, these khecharīs and this and that He lashed them left and right! He was a great poet. Everybody fought with Him, tortured Him!
Christ was the same. He is the one who said, "Not to go towards spirits at all. This is all spirit's job."
1977-1121 Public Program, Tantrism, Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

"What does it cost to say that, 'According to our Mother drinking is bad'? 'Don't drink.'
Some people come to Sahaja Yoga with continuing their habit of drinking.
Now if it's wrong, it's wrong. You should understand.
Was Muhammad or Nāṇakjī mad that They prohibited drinking? Were They mad? They were not mad people who prohibited all of this."
1977-1228 Talk to Sahaja Yogis (Hindi), Ātmā ki Anubhūti, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

"What is this Sahaj Yog?
Many of you also know about it.
Nāṇak Sāhab has worked hard and has written a lot about it. Here, you have His blessings. But nobody knows Him, nor understands Him."
1978-0130 Public Program (Hindi), Day 1, Sahaja Yoga, Kuṇḍalinī, Mūlādhāra to Nābhī Chakras, Guru Tattwa, 9 Raisina Road, New Delhi, India

"I have told you about Nābhī chakra and also about Void. The Guru Principle resides in this Bhavasāgara [Void] and this Guru Principle establishes the dharma within us. These ten petals here that we have shown are the ones which establishes the Ten Dharmas within us.
It is important to have these Ten Dharmas in a human being otherwise he is not a human being. Even if he has has nine dharmas in him is still [unclear] a bit and if he does not follow these dharmas that are within him, and when I say dharma I don't mean by Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, and all that, but dharma means the Innate Dharma of humanity within, if one does not keep to those Ten Dharmas, then he turns into a demon [devil].
This Guru Principle (Tattwa) has taken birth in this world in many forms especially it has these Ten Main Incarnations have taken birth like Rāja Janaka, Nāṇak, Muhammad Sāhab, etc. and at the end it was Sāī Nāth from Śhirḍī, who took birth. They tie this Tattwa [Principle] within us because all these Gurus who have taken birth for our evolution are placed within us.
[unclear] these Gurus are very subtly placed Deities within us.
Like for these Guru already say, "Don't consume alcohol," then They weren't mad that They said this. Neither They were standing in any elections to win votes that They said that. You can't even say that They had any kind of business that in some competitive feeling He said that thing.
They said, "Child, don't drink alcohol, don't take to cigarettes, don't take any kind of drugs," because the position of our attention within is also placed in the area of Void.
You will be surprised to know that our attention is in our stomach. Actually, to be specific, in liver resides our attention.
They said, "You don't drink alcohol," so your attention does not get spoiled. You know by drinking human awareness gets damaged.
People got the other way by saying, 'OK, if drinking is not allowed then let's not garlic, onions, etc.' Prophet Muhammad used to eat garlic, onions and also Nāṇaka used to eat meat and all that."
1978-0131 Public Program (Hindi), Day 2, Void, Heart, Viśhuddhi, Channels, New Delhi, India

"There was a doctor who was suffering from cancer, who came to Me. And he was an ardent Muslim. And I told him to take the name of Nāṇaka. He said, "I would not. I can only take the name of Muhammad." I said, "Muhammad Himself is angry with you because you are such a fanatic. Because Muhammad was born as Nāṇaka." He said, "No, I cannot take His name." "All right," I said, "go ahead." I said, "All right, take the name of Dattātreya." He would not take it. He would not take the name of Moses. He said, "I only know Muhammad."
But then he was very much worse.
Then he came to Me. I said, "Now take the name of Dattātreya." You won't believe: he sat down, he said, "Mother, teach me how to do Pūjā of Dattātreya." And he got much better. I must say!
There was another gentleman who was a staunch Hindu. And if they are staunch, they are the worst they can take up. [Laughter.] And I told him that he has to take the name of Muhammad. And he would not! He said, "You are finishing my religion in, what are you doing‽ You are blasphemous!" And all kind of things he said. I said, "All right. You can say whatever you like."
After one year he again reappeared, in Delhi. And then I told him, "Now will you take the name of Muhammad Sāhab and do some Namāz?" And he read it! And he is all right."
1978-1014 Talk to Sahaja Yogis, Advice on Our Powers, How to Handle Scientists, First Western Seminar, Day 1, Conference Center, East Hampstead Park (near Workingham, 60 kms W of London), UK

"Muhammad Sāhab took His birth as Nāṇaka. If you read Nāṇaka's life, I mean if you read what He has to say, all the time He is saying, "O God, how are you fighting among yourself, the Hindus and the Muslims, or the Mus... the Muslims and the other people? I am just the same! How are you fighting?"
You see, when ... when He died, Muhammad Sāhib, and He saw where the Religion was taken by Muslims, He was to be born again, to tell them!
But when He was born again, and when He started telling, people stoned Him.
And these Sikhs asked them, these fools, "You go and ask them, 'What Muhammad ... uh He has done?' "
All His life He was trying to unite both of them. Because He was so much surprised at this!
And imagine the Sikhs, all their lives they are fighting the Muslims, and the Muslims, the fools, they are fighting the Sikhs.
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Now we have got Ten Dharmas within us which we have to keep all right. These are the main Ten Commandments.
These Ten Commandments we have to look after, and these are looked after by the people who are these, the Primordial Masters, as you call Them Incarnations Divinely: like Rāja Janaka, like Moses, like Socrates, like Nāṇaka, the last one was the Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth. This is the Principle is there, is the Primordial Master."
1978-1015 Talk to Sahaja Yogis, Zen and Void, Part 1, First Western Seminar, Day 2, Session 2 (during and after tea and coffee), Conference Center, East Hampstead Park (near Workingham, 60 kms W of London), UK

"Of course I mean, there's nothing that you, if you do not get, one should not worry, because if you are really lordly and if you are really kingly as we call it bādśhāh [great/master king].
See, Guru Nāṇak was called as Bādśhāh [Great/Master King], not that He was the emperor of India, bādśhāh is a thing that is the temperament as they say, the tapir, is the temperament of a king.
Even if you could put a king, if he's really rich why should he worry about the great comforts? No comfort can dominate a kingly person: he will sleep on a stone like a king, he'll walk on the rugged road like a king. You can see his majesty and his dignity in his grace whether in adversity or in where the people are praising. He's above all those things. That is the sign of a kingly personality."
1978-1023 Public Program (English+Hindi), The Three Channels, Śhrī Lakṣhmī, and Śhrī Saraswatī, Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

"Any Saint, you can say, Kabīra Dās or it bring say Nāṇaka, any Saint you ... you read, uh Khalil Gibran or any Saint, whosoever has lived, you ask him, 'How do you do it? How it is?', he said [will say], 'I cannot say. You see, I've become dumb.'
How do you ask a dumb person what is the taste of the mhh jaggery [made from sugarcane and date palm] or of the's sugar? How can a dumb person say?
'I've become dumb.'
Because the thing is, it's a happening! It happens within you. You cannot describe it. But it just happens within you, you can see it happen.
This is the breakthrough which was historically, was described from the time of Socrates it started. He said that, "You have to become."
Everyone has said!
And today the time has come: is to happen.
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All the Absolute Truths you can find out through your vibrations, that you can only take, as they are described since long time back. They are described in the Upaniṣhadas, they are described in the Vedas, they are described in the ... uh later ee time when uh uh Śhaṅkarāchārya came in, they are described by Buddha, they are described by Mahāvīra, they are described by all the people, they are described by Christ, by Muhammad Sāhab.
In Namāz that Muhammad Sāhab taught was nothing else but Kuṇḍalinī awakening.
Now if you tell the Muslims they will cut My throat for it.
But it is absolutely that! He never taught them to fight.
And the Sikhs were taught by the same person: Nāṇaka and Muhammad Sāhab were the same people, we can prove it through Kuṇḍalinī. They were the same people.
But the Sikhs and the Muslims are fighting.
And what He told them, "Not to drink," they are doing it.
So, you see there are so many things like that. It's very confusing!"
1978-1030 Public Program, Sahaja Yoga as a Hypothesis, Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK (very likely)

"Sahaja: saha means with you, ja means born, which is born with you, that is Sahaja Yoga.
We can call this the climax of Sahaja Yoga.
Kṛiṣhṇa has done only Sahaja Yoga, Nāṇak also did only Sahaja Yoga. Muhammad has also done only Sahaja Yoga and Christ also did only Sahaja Yoga.
But the finale of it, when the flower has to turn into a fruit, that is going to happen now. It has to happen now in this modern time. Now the time has come when this will happen."
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It is not that you cannot see it. It is not that I am saying anything new.
Kabīr has said this, Nāṇak has said this. All have said this.
They have come and gone. No one has bothered about Them. It is again the same.
But today I am saying, 'Get your Self-realization.'
1979-0114 Public Program (Hindi), Day 1, Satya kā Anveṣhaṇa (Exploration of Truth), Biralā Krīṛā Keṃdra, Chowpatty, Girgaum Chowpatty, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

"So, of the Ten Avatāras described here, seven Avatāras are within the abdomen. At least seven Avatāras.
The eighth Avatāra is said to be Rāma.
What are Avatārs? They are our leaders.
The Ten Gurus within the abdomen, the Main Gurus, such as Zarathustra and others I mentioned to you, Nanak, Janak, they are the Incarnations of Dattātreya, who is the Primordial Master, They reside within the abdomen. They guide our religion."
1979-0117 Public Program (Hindi), Day 4, Chakroṃ para Upasthita Devatā (Deities on All Chakras), Gita Mandir Hall, Bharatiya Vidyā Bhavan (3rd floor), 29, Kulapati K.M. Munshi Mārg, Chowpatty, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

"It is surprising that there is a gentleman in Rangoon who is an Avadhūta. Not only in India, but they can be found all around the world. Prophet Muhammad was an Avadhūta. King Janaka was an Avadhūta, so was Nāṇak.
Many of them [Avadhūtas] did a lot of work in this Maharashtra. It is only because of their work here did I take My birth in this place.
Sāī Nāth was the last of them from Maharashtra.
Their work establishes the dharma. Or more like the dharma settles down in that place. They take their form on this earth only to fulfill that goal.
When the human loses his faith in dharma, 'Why should I do this?', when he starts thinking this ways, then the Avadhūtas take birth on this Earth. And wherever they may be, in forests or mountains, dead or alive, all they do is keep working on giving you the validations of dharma.
If you tell lies and start suffering from its consequences, then realize that there is some Avadhūta, sitting on some mountain in the Himalayas, who is responsible for whatever is happening to you. He is the one putting you all right.
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The dharma in humans has at least ten aspects of discipline to it that should be followed, and all Gurus have emphasized that this needs to happen. They could be in the form of Muhammad, Nāṇak or Janak.
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But the concepts of dharma, as this world knows it today, are so complicated and twisted, "I don't drink, I don't even consume garlic." "Is it so? OK, you don't drink, you don't eat garlic, onions, etc., you don't do anything, granted. Then why is your Void catching?" Void meaning where Dattā [Śhrī Dattātreya] resides, in the stomach. "But I am a huge opponent of Muslims." That's it: you have lost your quality of Avadhūta. The Avadhūtas have been offended.
These entities, say Muhammad, or Janaka, or Sāī Nāth, do you think any of these belong to any religion, caste or creed?
Say, we keep a Photograph of Sāī Nāth in our home, who was He? Wasn't He a Muslim? Be truthful.
So if someone becomes a Muslim, he turns bad, how did you form this conclusion? Who was Kabīr Dās? Who was Nāṇak?"
1979-0122 Public Program (Marathi), Ātmyālā Miḍavilyāhśivāya Parameśhwar or Avadhūtas, YMCA Hall, New Link Road, D.N. Nagar, Andheri West (14 kms NW of Mumbai), Maharashtra, India

"In London, I have seen, that you cannot go out without wearing a coat! You have to have a central heated house, otherwise you'll die. You have to struggle all the time.
That is the reason people have paid their attention outside to overcome the natural uh problems.
While in this country, there is no need.
That's why in our country only these great people like Ādi Śhaṅkarāchārya, like Nāṇaka, like Kabīra, like uh-uh-uh recently our Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth, and all these people were born because there you can live just in the jungle. You don't have to pay much attention to your well-being here, you can get everything nicely.
This is the reason why Indians are so much religious. Their attention is religious, their traditions are religious, we started religion.
But we have got such a big heritage, but where are we looking forward to? America and to Russia? Just go and see yourself how they are, then you will never look forward to them.
We have to look forward to Ādi Śhaṅkarāchārya, we have to look forward to our Nāṇak, and to our great Saints, those who lived in complete joy, peace and happiness. That is our heritage.
We are not to play and go behind these horrible things like casinos and things, that's ... gives no joy, otherwise why are they [foreign seekers] here?
We have to manifest our own, project our own ... our own image, which is actually based on the Self-realization only, nothing else. Let us be proud of it that we have got this heritage.
And they are not going to respect you unthen ... un ... unless and until you are yourself."
1979-0209 Public Talk for Westerners and Westernized Indians, Holiness Is the Basis of Religion and Spirituality (Religion Is Within Not Without), Program Organized by the Government of India, Day 3, Kovalam (18 kms S of Thiruvananthapuram), Kerala, India

Version 1:
"Now, living by the dharma doesn't mean making rounds of the temple and reciting the name of God a thousand.
The meaning of dharma has been told by a number of Saints in this country. In this Land of Saints, a number of Gurus have come and have spoken to great lengths about what dharma is, we can't thank Them enough. But we don't follow any of what They have said.
Out of all the Gurus, there have been Ten Important Ones and They have come in this world multiple times. The Prophet Muhammad is an incarnation of Dattātreya. After Muhammad Sāhib, Nāṇak who came on this Earth was an incarnation of Dattātreya too, so was Janak. Likewise Ādināth, who came before Māhavīr, was also an incarnation of Dattātreya. Furthermore, the people of this Ahmednagar are extremely fortunate in the sense that Śhirḍī [84 kms NNW from Ahmadnagar] was the place where Śhrī Sāī Nāth chose to come and stay. He too was an incarnation of Dattātreya. So, it is the same element of the Guru, which keeps reincarnating on this Earth.
They focused on teaching about things pertaining to maintaining the balance of the dharma, They didn't talk much about Self-realization as such, didn't work upon giving knowledge about the Ātmā to people.
The one thing that all of Them had said was to not consume alcohol."
Version 2:
"To live with dharma does not mean parroting the name of God in the temples.
The meaning of being religious has been explained by a number of Saints in this country. In this land of Saints, a number of Gurus have come and have spoken to great lengths about what dharma is, we can't thank Them enough. But we don't follow any of what They have said.
Out of all the gurus, there have been Ten Important Ones and They have come in this world multiple times. Of these the Prophet Muhammad is an Incarnation of Dattātreya. After Muhammad Sāhib, Nāṇak who came on this earth was an Incarnation of Dattātreya too, so was Janak. Likewise Ādināth [Ṛiṣhabhadeva, first Tīrthaṅkara in Jainism], who came before Mahāvīr, was also an Incarnation of Dattātreya. After this we were really lucky, specially people from Ahmadnagar, that Sāī Nāth who stayed in Śhirḍī [84 kms NNW from Ahmadnagar], He too is an Incarnation of Dattātreya. So, it is the same element of the Guru, which reappears on this Earth.
And They taught several things regarding the balance of dharma. They didn't talk much about giving Realization as such. They did not work too much on giving knowledge on Self-enlightenment to people.
The one thing He said, that all of [Ten of] Them corroborate on, was not to consume alcohol."
1979-0223 Public Program (Marathi), Kuṇḍalinī Śhakti ani Sat Chakra (Kuṇḍalinī Śhakti and the Seven Chakras), Ahmednagar, Maharashtra, India

"From time immemorial, people have said that Kuṇḍalinī is an institution within us. This has been especially elaborated by Ādi Śhaṅkarāchārya and Mārkaṇḍeya Swāmī. After that Kabīr and Guru Nāṇak have also explained and written in detail.
Kuṇḍalinī is our mother and mother is a very holy establishment."
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This entire science is ages old. This is not explained [just] today.
Kabīra has also explained Sahaja Yoga. But some people have also misinterpreted Kabīra.
I am amazed at the thinking of people, to see how they misinterpret everything and also how do you all accept it.
Kabīr has also written on this, Nāṇak has written on this, Saint Tukārām has written, and Jñāneśhwar has very clearly stated.
So first things about our country is that we have predefined limits. This is a very significant thing. Our country is a great country.
1979-0227 Public Program (Marathi), Dhule, Maharashtra, India

"In the same way, Sahaja Yoga has to go to common people, everybody must understand.
Otherwise, people like Christ were crucified, nobody understood Him. People like Kabīra, nobody understood, people like Nāṇaka was tortured, people like Muhammad Sāhab were given poisons, and every one of Them had to just suffer because of the ignorance of the common people.
Today the time has come for common people to realize."
1979-0310 Public Program, Day 1, Session 1 (morning), Creation, Man and His Fulfillment (Universe Is a Beautiful Cosmos), Gāndhī Bhawan, Delhi University, North Campus, GC Narang Road, Timarpur, New Delhi, India

"We know Guru Nāṇak incarnated.
Today itself, I went [unclear by the same route], saw the water body created by Him, so many vibrations were flowing from it, it was so fulfilling being in that place.
So, did He take His Incarnation only to create that water body and left? No! His personality was so great that He built a temple for Himself in our hearts. Within ourselves, there is a place for Śhrī Nāṇak, that's how it is built.
I shall explain in full detail all about the locations of these Gurus within ourselves and how They guard us."
1979-0310 Public Program (Hindi), Day 1, Session 2 (evening), Bhārata Varṣha Yoga Bhūmi (India Land of Yoga), Gāndhī Bhawan, Delhi University, North Campus, GC Narang Road, Timarpur, New Delhi, India

"After that there is Nābhī center. For Nābhī center you know that whatever has happened in the evolution from fish to human being, everything has happened here.
For helping in it many Big Gurus have Incarnated inside us, whom you know from Socrates to Confucius, Moses, Rāja Janak, Muhammad Sāhab, Nāṇak Sāhab, Kabīr, all these Big Gurus, all of Them have worked hard on it and made dharma of human beings. It is the dharma of human beings inside, in the stomach, not outside.
Like dharma of this gold is that it does not get spoiled, it is untarnishable.
In the same way Ten Dharma[s] of human beings are formed inside the stomach."
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If some foreign matter enters our body then they try to throw it out of the body but if there is a fetus in the womb then it is not thrown out but it is taken care, nurtured and at proper time, exact time it is thrown out of the body. It is the work of Śhrī Gaṇeśha. It is done by Gaṇeśhjī. Gaṇeśh Tattwa does this work inside us.
Now doctors will not believe in Gaṇeśhjī but keep His photo in their house. There will be photo of Nāṇakjī, Gaṇeśhjī and all. But Gaṇeśhi is present inside us on our Mūlādhār chakra, this they will not believe.
Now what shall I do you tell Me? How to teach?
1979-0312 Public Program (Hindi), Day 3, Session 2 (evening), Mūlādhāra Chakra or Realization of Divine and Spirit, New Delhi, India

"Although after Realization you go beyond religion, you do not have any religion left.
When you believe in Muhammad Sāhab also, also in Nāṇak Sāhab, and in Hazarat ʿAlī also, in Fāṭimah Bi also, and in Sītājī also, also in Jesus Christ, and also in Gaṇeśhjī, then how can you sit in these small compartments of religions?
Then you become dharmātīt, and beyond religions, you also become guṇātīt. Guṇas meaning three: tamoguṇa, rajoguṇa, and sattvaguṇa."
1979-0318 Public Program (Hindi), Day 9, Sahasrāra Chakra, Śhāmiyānā, Garden, Pataudi House, 10 Ashoka Road, New Delhi, India

"In fact, you already know that Sahaja Yoga is nothing new: Saint Kabīr has spoken about it, Guru Nāṇak has spoken about it.
Even what Lord Rāma did was, in fact, Sahaja Yoga. He walked barefoot across India including in your Maharashtra. He walked on this land, covering every bit of this Mother India, so as to vibrate It. Vibrations flowed from His Feet. He walked barefoot everywhere to spread these vibrations.
Even Mother Earth established the Aṣhṭavināyaka here so that vibrations would emanate, and people would recognize it."
1979-0321 Birthday Pūjā (Hindi), Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

"So the dharma that has been established in us by God Almighty because if we want to go to the Kingdom of God, then in our freedom we must desire to get to God. If someone tries to pressurize us and says, 'You must ask for God,' then it is of no use, it is not an evaluation. That is why to reach in this state, a person has to seek the God as per his own independent sweet will and not due to any pressure, or any disease or any hardships or any sorrow, but only because of the fact and realizing that, 'It is the only motive of our life to seek God.'
That is why, when we desire for this Divine Gift, then the doors of God Almighty's Divine Blessings open for you, and around the center is a place of Ten Primordial Gurus. These are the Main Gurus which are the Incarnation[s] of Śhri Dattātreya. They are: Socrates, Moses, Muhammad Sāhab, Guru Nāṇak, Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth, and Zoroaster. They are all Incarnation[s] of one Incarnation.
There is no difference between Muhammad Sāhab and Guru Nāṇak. When Muhammad Sahab saw that people are taking wrong interpretation of His Dharma and doing everything against the dharma, then He was born again as Guru Nāṇak to correct it. Because He wanted to bring unity among people but you know what happened during Their lives."
1979-0322 Public Program (Hindi), Sahaja Yoga and the Subtle System, Biralā Krīṛā Keṃdra, Chowpatty, Girgaum Chowpatty, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India (other date 0321)

"About Me also you can ask questions. There are many ways of recognizing because in this life, you have to recognize. You have never recognized an Incarnation so far. You have to recognize.
That is compulsory and that is done through Sahajs Yoga because unless and until you are realized, how are going to recognize Them also?
But even if you have not recognized Them, there was no need for you to crucify Them or to torture.
Then all the Gurus who came on this Earth, the Real Ones – fakes are never gurus, they are not gurus – the Real Ones that came on this Earth, say, we can say Moses, Abraham, Nāṇak, Muhammad Sāhib, Kabīr, all these are Incarnations of Primordial Master whom we call as Dattātreya.
If They are or not, if Muhammad Sāhib and Guru Nāṇak are the same personality, same people who came in different times, then what justice are we doing to Them? How are we to find out? How are you to believe Me about it?
I will give you an example. There was a Muslim gentleman from Iran who came to see Me, who was suffering from cancer. He asked Me: "Mother, I want to get cured." I said, "You['re] a Muslim?", he said, "Yes, I only believe in Muhammad Sāhib and nobody else!" I said, "This would be something like that, 'I only believe in my nose, and not in anything else.' "
He was such a fanatic and fanaticism brings about the cancer of Nābhī chakra as we call it, the stomach. You will be amazed fanaticism is sin, sinful. It gives you the cancer of stomach.
I asked him, "Will you worship Nāṇak Sāhib?" He said, "No, why should I? I am a Muslim." I said, "Do you know Muhammad Sāhib Himself is angry with you and you have to worship Nāṇak?"
He would not but it happened for months and then he had to accept.
Any extreme behavior of this kind is prohibited in all the religions.
When Nāṇak came or when even our Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth came, They talked about sadāchār. Even the Goddess's name is Sadāchār Pravartakā [Founder/Source of Good Conduct].
Sadāchār is the most important thing. The dhana [treasure] is the most important thing. One has to be in dharma. If you are adharmī, how do you expect Me to give you Realization, you just tell Me?
Today I went to see a tailor of Mine who was saying, "Mother, if I am bad You tell me but why should not I get Realization?" I said, "True, why should not you? All right ask a question, 'Mother, are you Nāṇak?' " He asked Me the question. Normally the vibrations start but would not. He said, "What has happened to me?" I said, "See where is your Surati?"
Nāṇak has described Kuṇḍalinī as Surati.
His Kuṇḍalinī was pulsating at Nābhī. You could see with your naked eye. His friend or his proprietor was also seeing that. It was pulsating there.
I said, "You have a liver. Do you drink?" He said, "I drink quite a lot." Then I said, "How do you expect Me to give you Realization in the name of Nāṇak who has prohibited all this?"
When I say this people brand Me as anything.
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Kuṇḍalinī knowledge is very much known to us.
Actually we are so much anglicized, thanks to Lord [Thomas Babington] Macaulay, that a very few people who even know the word Kuṇḍalinī.
If you read Kabīr, the whole thing, Kabīr is nothing but Sahaja Yoga.
How many of you read Kabīr? For fashion sake even if they read they don't know what He is talking about.
Nāṇak has talked about it, Gyāneśhwara has talked about it.
Christ has talked about it that, "I will appear before you like tongues of flames." What is the meaning? Christians do not know about it.
So it is being promised."
1979-0328 Public Address, Inauguration of The Advent (Guḍhī Pāḍavā Day), FICCI Auditorium, 1 Tansen Mārg, New Delhi, India from Anant Jeevan, Issue 1 (July 1979), Pages 5–12

They have told you that It is called as Kuṇḍalinī.
Of course, they have played havoc with it, you know that. They have really made a mess out, of this word Kuṇḍalinī. They have ruined [it], completely ruined. And that's how they have ruined your inner being is shocking, really shocking.
And the ... in your frantic search you also believed these horrible people who are just out to ruin you.
These people have no ... no relationship with reality. They don't know who is Christ, they don't know who is Muhammad, they don't know who is Nāṇak. They don't know anything else! About the ... uh the Great Incarnations who came on this Earth, they don't want to talk about them! There is no relationship, there is no historical background to what they are saying."
1979-0416 Talk to Sahaja Yogis, Āgñyā and Lord Jesus Christ, Phillipa's House, Barnes, SW London, UK

"So, if you think evolution is a religion, then I would say Sahaja Yoga is the religion. If your evolution if you call it as a religion, then Sahaja Yoga is a religion. But is a religion which takes you belo ... beyond your sustenance, beyond your religion, dharmātīt, beyond the dharma.
We have amongst ourselves Hindu[s], Muslims, Christians, all kinds of people, you know that. All these people can feel it within themselves: is the religion in their stomachs, they can feel it. They can find out where is the religion. Because, I say, there, religion in the stomach is looked after by the Deities of Primordial Master whom we call as Dattātreya, in the Sanskrit language.
But does't mean Hinduism. It doesn't mean Hinduism at all. But it is called as Dattātreya in the Sanskrit language, in English is Primordial Master.
He is the same who incarnated on this earth: as Moses, as Abraham, and, say, incarnated as Muhammad Sāhab, as Rāja Janaka, as Nāṇaka, and also as Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth. Can you believe that Muhammad Sāhab is the same as our Nāṇak?
Now in the religion of these people, the Muslims, so-called, and the so-called Sikhs, are fighting amongst themselves.
Can you believe that Mahāvīra and Buddha were the same as Hasan and Husayn? Which we can prove it to you on suh ... on vibrations and on curing people. They were the same people reincarnated just to improve on Themselves. Because people believe into something which They were not, so They were incarnated just to show: that, 'This was wrong. No, no, this was, I never said it! This was the thing.'
In the story of ah ... Nāṇaka, it was said that once He was sleeping, so they said, "What? You are preaching that there should be unity among Hindus and Muslims, and You are putting Your Feet towards the Mecca!" He said, "Really?" Then He turned His Feet on the other side. He said, "Mecca has moved!"
He was the religion, but not His followers. They drink, He allowed them to drink, did He? When Muhammad Sāhab said, "Don't drink," that means they make a fanatic thing out of all that."
1979-0507 Public Program, Sahaja Yoga and Christianity, Bharatiya Vidyā Bhavan, London, UK

"But still, as you can see in the life of Christ, that coming of Christ was declared much before Christ came in by the Prophets who made prophecies. All these Prophets belong to the category of the Gurus I am talking about.
So, all over the world three types of movements were on. For example, the scientist[s] on the right-hand side, we can say, and the left-hand side are the devotees of God who sing the praise of God. And in the center there were people like Moses, like Abraham, who came on this earth just to prophesize, just to protect the devotees of God.
Now this middle movement of evolution, today, has reached its peak. Because all the Incarnations have arrived now, and have done Their job within you. They have occupied Their position within you, in your awareness, on these different centers.
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So today we are here to know that within us all these Incarnations exist, and the force that really brought forth, really manifested, who live like human beings and work like Gurus, that force which existed in this area, which created religion within us.
Religion, as we understand, organized religion, is not the religion. But the religion means: your sustaining power. You are a human being because there are ten sustaining powers within you.
So, They came to sustain us and to give us full idea about these Ten Powers and to establish us in our religion as a human being.
So these Gurus, who lived in that area, worked out the sustainace [sustenance] and helped us.
And this is one of the greatest forces we have got, which resides within us.
And whatever They have said has a very great meaning.
Actually, we should say the Main Gurus are ten, but there are many other Gurus.
And these Ten Gurus could be described as Rāja Janaka, then Moses, Abraham, and the in modern times you can say Muhammad Sāhab, and even up to Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth, in Śhirḍī, that force came in, for a short time, and then He disappeared. Nobody knows how He came there, He lived there and He died. Also, if you know Nāṇaka, He was also the same force, the same Primordial Master, who was born on this Earth.
Now, this is not the time to tell about individual people. But, I think, one day I will talk to you only on this subject of the Gurus.
So, these Gurus first started under the Primordial Master Himself, He was called as Dattātreya. ......
There's one more point I would like to tell you, that they have not yet gone here, but here [unclear], there are the two uh more small uh-uh-uh chakras: one that belongs to, uh uh which we call as the Sūrya – Sūrya is the-uh-uh uh uh, means the Sun, the Sun center – and the another as the Moon center on the left-hand side. And these two are uh governed or, we can say, is uh bestowed upon by two great uh-uh-uh people, who are the Disciple Elements.
And They, disciple elements were first, were born to Śhrī Rāma and Śhrī Sītā as the-ee Lav and Kuśh. And then They incarnated many a times on this Earth as disciple. One of Them is, we can say, ah ... was uh Śhaṅkarāchārya, another was Kabīra, uh like that. Then, we can say, later on, uh like, uh before Śhaṅkarāchārya, they came as Buddha and Mahāvīra. Then Śhaṅkarāchārya, and then, uh I told you, which is? Uh after Śhaṅkarāchārya came ... the Advent of Hasan and Husayn, who were the grandsons of Prophet.
So these have been incarnating, and they have been moving from one uh-uh-uh side to another and telling people that, "This is extreme, leave it." "This is the extreme, leave it. Come in the center, and be in the center." That has been Their job. And they are the ones who are, sort of, imparting you that awareness by you become a perfect disciple.
And the ... this is a very important point because it comes, quite often, that uh-uh-uh we do not understand.
Like Prophet Muhammad said that: "I am the last Prophet." All right, He did say He was the last Prophet.
Supposing I say, I am the last person to come here. All right I would say just to frighten you that, 'h-oh, you better take to it otherwise this is the last time I am telling you!' [Laughs.]
But it is never that!
Because when He wa... died He found out: that, you see, these people are madcaps. 'I didn't tell them this, what are they doing out of Me?' So, He said, 'I better go back again.'
And He came as Nāṇaka. And He told them, that: "Hindu and Muslims are same people, following the same religion, why are you fighting among yourselves?" See, They came for that unity.
Then as Nāṇaka He came. So, in Nāṇaka's system also the Sikhism came in and they started a warrior class and this and that. I mean imagine, the Sikhism ended up by having wars within Muslims and Hindus.
So, then He came as Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth to teach them.
Now, this is not a very important thing that, say Muhammad Sāhab said, "I am the last." Say He is the last, all right, even take that position. Who are you to Him? How are you related? Through what? What is your authority? How do you appropriate Him to yourself? Because you say you are Muslims, so what? How did you become Muslims? Did you get your certificate from God?"
1979-0530 Public Program, A Higher Life, A World of Bliss and Joy (The Three Paths of Evolution), Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

"Now when They said, "Don't drink," you say, 'Oh-oh, that's out-of-dated. You see, there's Muhammad Sāhab, was no good. He told us not to drink.' Nāṇaka said, "Don't drink."
Now, smoking, you see the results of smoking, now what's happening with smoking. It goes against uh uh your Viśhuddhi. Because, you see, that is the place of Kṛiṣhṇa, and smoking started much later. You see, when He was much earlier, smoking started later on.
That's why Nāṇak Sāhab has talked about it much more.
But uh Muhammad Sāhab did see this point, He did see. So He said, "All ... all the inter... intoxicants and all habits are to be discarded. All such things must be discarded." So, He also wanted mhh yeah ...
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All these addictions must be given up. He said it, very clearly: "No addictions are allowed," according to Him.
But you see, how you make uh-uh-uh uh-uh fuss about things.
Like Muhammad Sāhab and all these Gurus, all these Great Incarnations of the Primordial Master who was Ādi Dattātreya, Ādinātha [Ṛiṣhabhadeva, first Tīrthaṅkara in Jainism], They taught you how to maintain your religion, your sustainance [sustenance], your balance.
So, immediately the Christians. Because Christ didn't talk much about it because Moses had talked about it, Abraham had talked about it. So Christ did not talk, so they said, "All right. So Christians can drink." Just imagine.
This is a loophole.
That's how they became Christians perhaps. Because they thought that if ... uh they were belonged to the Jews, you see, then they would have ... uh they wouldn't be able to drink.
But Jews drink like Hell. Jews also drink now! I mean the Muslims drink the most, you see.
And worst are the Sikhs: who are prohibited from drinking and smoking, they can beat all your scotch people here, you see. All your scotch whiskey goes into their stomachs [laughter], all these things, and they grow in this, this beard, thinking that they are great Sikhs going around, you see."
1979-0616 Conversation with Sahaja Yogis, Bala Kanayson's House, Rosemary Road, Tamworth (31 kms NE of Birmingham), UK

"Around that, is that area where actually it exists in the stomach of God, we can say, this is the Bhavasāgara. This is what we have to cross. You see there's a Void, from there to there is a Void, and this we have to cross. And this is the thing which is crossed by the Kuṇḍalinī awakening.
Now what happens? That around that uh ... that ... water-like thing that you see there, see that is the one where Ten ... the Primordial Masters were born, Gurus, Primordial Gurus. Now They were incarnated of innocence of all this three aspects. And They were incarnated on this Earth, say, from Abraham, Moses, then we had uh-uh-uh ... up to Muhammad Sāhab we can say, then we can say Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth, then Nāṇaka, Janaka, all these people incarnated as Gurus.
Now what do They do? They, They, They give you sustainance [sustenance]. They give you sustainance [sustenance].
Now, sustenance is ... is ... for human beings is different. For animals is different.
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And this sustenance is maintained by the Gurus in that area. And They look after us: They are born again and again, again and again, to tell us about it.
They, people might say, 'What's wrong in drink?' Why did Muhammad Sāhab say, "Do not drink," Nāṇak Sāhab said, Moses said, that, "You should not drink?" For why [They] did this?
Now there is a reason, which you cannot stop it. If I tell you, 'Don't drink,' you come and drink.
I'll give you [a] very good reason for that, absolutely scientific, absolutely scientific. But you won't stop. So what should I do?
You see, which is the other way is: 'Why do you drink?' First of all I should find out the reason for it.
I find out the reason: that because you get bored, that's why. So, because you do not want to face the reality, you have an escape."
1979-0618 Conversation with Sahaja Yogis, Questions and Answers, Jim Proctor's House, Cookridge (10 kms NW of Leeds), UK

"For example you cannot sprout a seed, it sprouts by itself.
In the same way, you cannot make this force pulsate here in the back.
For example, you may stand up and dance, you may left your le... legs, you can stand on your heads, you can do whatever you please. But you cannot make something pulsate there.
That is the divine, spontaneous force of God's Love.
You can see with your naked eyes. You can also see the rising of that force on your back. In various people, here there are at least seventy percent [70\%] people who have seen. It rises within you, touching all these subtle centers, which are manifesting your plexuses outside, which are gross in nature. And you can see it pulsating here on your head.
As Nāṇaka has said, or Kabīra has said it: "Śhūnya śhikhara par anāhata baje re."
Anāhata: there is a sound without percussion you can feel it, 'Lub-dub, lub-dub,' here. Here you can feel it, and that is the Baptism.
Where the Kuṇḍalinī rises – this force is called as Kuṇḍalinī – through all these various centers, and opens this out, and you become – it's an actualization – you become a person who is a self-realized person."
1979-0710 Public Program, We are All Seekers (We Feel there is a Purpose in Life), Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

"All this has to be integrated. All the great religions which have been propounded in the growth of human beings, which have substantially helped in the growth of human beings, which are the substratum of their living, has to be integrated in that happening.
For example, I meet, supposing, a Hindu, then he says, "Mother, how do You talk of Christ? We don't believe in Christ." Now you are a very, very great person not to believe in Christ. Who are you not to believe in Christ? What do you think of yourself? What do you mean by saying that you don't believe in Christ? Do you know it is blasphemous to say such horrible things about any Great Incarnation on this Earth?
There are some who say, "We do not believe in Moses, or in Guru Nāṇaka, or in Muhammad Sāhib." Who are you? 'I don't believe,' 'I don't believe.' What is your belief? What-what, on what it is based? Why do you say such things? What do you know about Them?
Only by going to churches or going, going to these mosques or going to these synagogues! They are blind, making you blind. What have you achieved but nothing but stark fanaticism? It's a disease! It's sickness!
Just come in the Kingdom of God, and you will see that They are all seated there on the dais. They are all together and you like fools are fighting. Did They ever say that?
For example, when Christ cam ... came, did He say that, 'Moses was wrong'? Did He say so? When Nāṇaka came, did He say that, 'Muhammad was wrong'? Did any one of these great Saints say so?
Then who are you to denounce Them?
This is one of the greatest hurdles of so-called seekers."
1979-0724 Public Program, We Have to Seek our Wholesomeness, Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

"In the same way, the technique of Sahaja Yoga is to be understood gradually by you.
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Is a technique which is written in all the Scriptures. Kabīra has described it. If Nāṇaka has described it. All the other Scriptures of Śhaṅkarāchārya has described it. If you read Mārkaṇḍeya, He has described it. Nothing new about it."
1979-0806 Public Program, Self-realization and Fulfillment, Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

"When Śhrī Rām came, people said that they accepted Paraśhurām, when Śhrī Kṛiṣhṇa came they said, they accepted Śhrī Rām, and at the time of Śhrī Nāṇaka, they accepted Śhrī Kṛiṣhṇa. When Christ was here they accepted Abraham.
All of Them had taken human form. But it is all the play of buddhi: how interesting it is!
Now, I have come and people are accepting Śhrī Sāī Nāth.
But when He lived here, He did not even get anything to eat. Why was it so? He was also a human being. As long as He was alive, He too was considered useless and tortured. But when He died, He was regarded as Bhagavān.
What is the reason of this all? Why has man been like this?
You will have water of the Ganges, where She flows. If She is flowing here, will you say, 'We do not accept Her as the Ganges!'? There may be nothing at the place where She was flowing earlier, or maybe only a nullah [ravine] at present. If you want to take it as the Ganges, you go your way. If the Ganges is flowing at this place, why not accept it?
It is not easy to understand human intellect. It is the most difficult job in the world! It is easy to understand God, because He is what He is. He does not have such double dealings. Man has a variety of qualities, not just double. All animals from snakes and scorpions to elephants, horses and lions are residing in him. You will not understand at all, why his brain is working in this way.
Now when the Ganges is flowing why don't you take water from Her?
Imagine this plug has been connected here. Will you connect in its place a plug which is out of order? It is quite pragmatic.
I cannot understand what hallucination is there on human intellect, that he does not accept the Truth which he is seeing but accepts something that is not seen? Its reason was understood long back and that is ahaṅkār [ego]. Man has too much of ego.
If you had accepted Śhrī Rāma in His days, He would have told you to get your Kuṇḍalinī awakened and get the Realization and get established in Sahaja Yoga.
Had you recognized Śhrī Kṛiṣhṇa, He would not have played Sahaja Yoga in Gokul, but would have given you the Realization and told you to practice Sahaja Yoga.
If Śhrī Nāṇak had been accepted, there was no need for Him to break His head telling you to do different things. He would have simply taught Sahaja Yoga, but very few understood Him in His days.
Now, when He is not here, you have built gurudwārās in His name.
When Muhammad is not here mosques have been made, because they think now Muhammad Sāhib is in their hands.
Now Rāma is in their hands, and they can make His temple and say, 'His is our temple, this Rāma is our property. We have authority over Him and whatever you have brought, all money and other things, offer them to this idol.'
You say all this because you think you are the authority of this idol. It is sheer ego because of which man thinks, that he can keep God in his control and for that he is making all the show. Every time the same show was repeated."
1979-0818 Public Program (Hindi), Ātmā and Paramātma, Saradār Patel Vidyalaya (School), Lodi Estate, New Delhi, India

Version 1:
"Because I have Absolute Knowledge that you don't see, that Śhrī Nāṇak explained as Alakh. I see with that vision.
What I want to say that you should first see that, 'Do you have purity or not?' Taking bath is OK but it's not that important, even if you don't take it it's OK."
Version 2:
"I have the knowledge beyond the obvious that you cannot see, what Nāṇak has called as Alakh. I see with those eyes.
So first of all I want to tell you to examine if you are chaste enough. To take bath, etc., is all OK. Even if you don't do that it is all right."
1979-0922 Talk to Sahaja Yogis (Marathi), Kuṇḍalinī and Śhrī Gaṇeśha Principle, Navarātri Celebrations (1st Day), Amar Hind Mandal, West Dadar, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

"People crucified Jesus Christ because of their ego. They could not conceive of an idea that some human being can appear on the Earth as an Incarnation of God. Their intellectual pride could not accept this idea and they rejected the Truth because of the ego.
What was the bad deed for which Jesus was crucified? He had on the contrary cured many people of their ailments. He preached the Truth and taught many good things to the people. He showed them the way to live a very cultured life. He always preached Love.
In spite of this, the people tortured Him. But they would bow before those who teach filthy and rotten things and make a fool of them. What a height of stupidity!
These days any Tom, Dick or Harry becomes a guru, robs the people, squeezes money from them. Such persons are held in high esteem.
On the contrary, if a good person, who stands by the Truth, wishes to show the true path, the people not only won't listen to him but assault him.
To educate such very stupid people God Almighty sent His beloved Son, Jesus Christ, on this Earth. But the people crucified Him.
They have been, ever since, repeatedly doing the same thing. If you read, you will find that whenever God incarnated, or any Sage or Saint took birth on this Earth, the people have harmed them and tortured them. Instead of learning from them, they behaved with them stupidly. We will notice the same story about Śhrī Gyāneśhwara and Śhrī Tukārāma, the great Saints of Maharashtra. Similar treatment was meted out to Śhrī Guru Nāṇaka and Prophet Muhammad.
Man always runs away from the Truth and tries to embrace the untruth.
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When we study the life of Jesus Christ, one thing is noticed prominently. That is the stupidity of the people of that time. Because of that stupidity this magnificent personality was crucified. And what height of stupidity! When the people were asked to express their opinion as to whether a thief or Jesus be released, the Jews demanded that the thief be released and Jesus Christ crucified.
We know the state of these people today! The sin committed by them will not be washed away in many, many lives. And even now these persons are enveloped in their ego. They think that they have done a virtuous deed.
Even now, if these people seek pardon of God, saying that, 'Oh God, pardon us for crucifying your sacred principle. Forgive us for destroying your sacred principle,' God will immediately forgive them.
But man finds it very difficult to apologize. He commits a number of evil deeds.
How many persons can be found in the world who have worshiped the Saints?
Take the instance of Śhrī Kabīr or Śhrī Guru Nāṇaka. The people have persecuted Them at every step.
In this world the people have not given anything to the Saints except harm and torture.
But I tell you now, that circumstances have changed. The Satya Yoga has commenced. You may try, but now you would not succeed in persecuting or torturing any Saint.
This is due to Jesus Christ Himself. For Jesus Christ has set in motion a mighty power in this world which would make such wicked people suffer. They would be punished. The Ekādeśha Rudras of Jesus Christ are all in readiness to strike. Those who would now torture any Saint, would be completely ruined.
It is a great sin to torture any Saint. You try to understand this from the example of Jesus Christ. Do not commit such stupidity hereafter. Otherwise you may get completely ruined.
If one great lesson is to be learnt from the life of Jesus, then that is that you have to remain contented in the state in which the Almighty has placed you. Jesus did not change His mission, He did not separate Himself from the society, considering Himself to be a saṃnyāsī. On the contrary, on occasions He attended certain marriage ceremonies and made the arrangements. Tile Bible says that at one marriage occasion He transformed drinking water into fresh grape Juice.
Now, man has picked up this one incident to suggest that, 'Since Jesus Christ made wine out of water, He used to drink wine.' In Hebrew language you would notice that the word wine means pure juice of fresh grapes. It does not mean alcohol.
Jesus Christ incarnated to open the Āgñyā chakra and to dissolve our ego.
My job is to awaken your Kuṇḍalinī Power so that it could pierce your Sahasrāra chakra.
This work is of collective nature: I have, therefore, to do it in the case of one and all, I want to tell you about Jesus Christ, Guru Nāṇaka, King Janaka and a number of other Incarnations and the way they relate with the collectivity. Similarly, I wish to talk to you about Incarnations of Śhrī Rāma, Śhrī Kṛiṣhṇa, etc., and also about Śhrī Śhiva because all the Powers of these Gods and Deities are in us. Now, the time has come for Collective Consciousness to manifest."
1979-0927 Talk to Sahaja Yogis (Hindi), Kuṇḍalinī and Lord Jesus Christ, Navarātri Celebrations (6th Day), Hinduja Auditorium, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

"Moreover, you are surrounded by people who have not felt the vibrations. They do not know this area, they have never seen it. As Guru Nāṇak has called it, it is Alakha [Nirañjan]. They have not seen it. They don't know about it. They don't know there is a Power of God that exists, which understands, coordinates, cooperates with you, which is working in the Collective Being, which makes aware ... you aware of that Collective Being and of others also."
1979-1015 Public Program, How Realization Should Be Allowed to Develop, Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

"The Yogi is a person who lives in this world. Is a concept [that] has come to you because some of these horrible fake ones have created this kuh ... concept.
If the Great Yogis of our country, who are regarded and respected till today, have been living in this world, and never went away into the jungles.
Say, like Guru Nāṇaka who was a great Saint, He says, "Kāhe re ban khojan jāe, Sarab nivāsī sadā alepā tohī saṃga samāī." He says, "Why are you running away to the jungles? What are you afraid of? The one who is detached, the one who is the Saint, is living within you. The one who is the Yogi is living within you. Where are you running away?"
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Today you [don't] have to give up anything, nothing. Is just here within you.
But Nāṇaka has said, "Unless and until you have got your Self-real ... -realization, this bhrama, this illusion, this uh-uh-uh misunderstanding won't go." Is the curtain has to [be] moved."
1979-1115 Public Program, The Significance of Brighton, Hove (next, W of Brighton), East Sussex, UK

"You are identified with your ego, so you want to always satisfy your in ... ego, 'I like it.' 'I like it,' means mister ego likes it, really, most of the time.
And the Self doesn't say, 'I like it.' It feels it. It feels within Itself. It's absolute.
This is the Śhāktopāy, which many people are practicing. I haven't come across even one genuine person who does this, so far.
I mean we had: Nāṇaka was there, Kabīra was there, we had in India great people. And They have talked about these fake people."
1979-1126 Public Program, How to Get to the Spirit that Lies within, Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

"Only in the human stage, it is said that, "You will become aware of it." Is said in all the Scriptures: like Qur'ān, like Bible, like Vedas, like uh Gītā which is a part of Veda, you can say. Also, Great Sages, all over the world, right from Moses, Abraham, Socrates, Lao Tze, in India, Janaka, Nāṇaka, Vasiṣhṭha, later on, people like, we can say, in the history, about sixth century, we had a very Great Saint or a great personality or an Incarnation like Śhaṅkarāchārya, all these people have been talking about your Second Birth. That you are to be born-again.
Unless and until you are born-again, you are not a Christian, you are not a Hindu, you are not a Muslim.
Keep it one name. There are ten names, to one thing, for twice-born."
1979-1203 Public Program, Session 1 (morning), Realization Is Not of the Intellect, Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

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"For example, there was a doctor from Iran who was suffering from cancer, he came to see Me in London. He had the cancer of the stomach.
In this part resides all the Ten Great Masters, or the Primordial Masters, the Incarnations of the Primordial Master.
He ... ah ... I told ... I asked him ... uh-uh-uh what religion was he following, he said he was a ... uh-uh-uh Muslim, and out and out Muslim. I said, "What does that mean?", so he said, "It means only Muhammad was the only last Prophet, that cannot be any other Prophet." I said, "How do you know? But how are you so cocksure about it? How can you [laughing:] claim that He was the last Prophet?"
Moreover his cancer was due to that kind of a fanaticism within his stomach. I told him: "You have to believe in other Prophets also."
We had a Prophet in India called Guru Nāṇak, who was the Incarnation of the same. Abraham, Moses, all of Them were the Incarnation of the same Principle.
But he would not accept it. I said, "I can't cure your cancer."
So he went back.
But when it comes to life, you understand.
And he came back to Me. He said, "All right, I'll accept, and I'll take the name of Guru Nāṇak." I told him, "Muhammad Sāhāb Himself is angry with you for behaving like this. Because He was not a fanatic like you!" And when he did that, he got all right."
1980-0416 Public Program, Day 1, Paris, France

"Apart from that, there is [a] third type of Incarnations which worked [pointing to the Void on the Chakra Chart:] in this gap: to sustain us. These are Ten Pri... Primordial Masters, the Ādi Guru. These people incarnated on this Earth to give us our sustainance [sustenance], our religion as they call it. They gave us those Ten Religions or sustainance [sustenance] which is important for a human being.
This Principle of Primordial Master incarnated as Abraham, as Moses, as Muhammad Sāhab, as Janaka, as Nāṇaka, and recently, till recently, the One who is no more a now, is Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth.
[During the translation helps with the enumeration:] Muh... mhh. Socrates. Nāṇaka.
Yes.
Now, these people are Incarnation[s] of the one Principle, that is Primordial Master.
The energy or the power with which They work[ed] is either a sister or a daughter: is a very pure relationships.
If you read Their teachings you will find [that] They are saying the same things. Because They were worried about our sustainance [sustenance]."
1980-0419 Public Program, Day 4, Spiritual Evolution of Man, Paris, France

"For example, we can say the gree... green thing is the one that represents the water, water element. This center the ... in the stomach is the water element within us. It is called as Nābhī chakra, and around it is called as the Bhavasāgara, you can say the Void, or you can say the Gap, or whatever you may say, the whole world as such, within us. So, the people who were born on this center, around this center, were born out of water element.
In this Bhavasāgara – oc... Bhavasāgara means the ocean of this world – were born, through this ocean of the world, were born all the Primordial Masters, one after another. We can say Abraham, Moses, we had Janaka, were Ādināth [Ṛiṣhabhadeva, first Tīrthaṅkara in Jainism], and Socrates, and so many others like that, Nāṇaka, and also very recently, we had about hundred years back, a very great Saint born in India known as Sāī Nāth.
They all represent the same element that is the water element. Being responsible or being born out of that, They are anxious to maintain water element as the one which is within us for sustaining ourselves. We su... we are sustained by water, so They help us to sustain ourselves. They are the sustainers: They tell us how to sustain us as a human being.
And all of Them have tried to establish religion within us.
A religion doesn't mean outside, but the religion as a man: means the capacity of a man, or you can say the quality of a man. What a human being should be like, what is the way to know if he is a human being or not, which is described in al... in the Ten Commandments."
1980-0421 Public Program, What Is Second Birth, Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

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"To normalize you, all these Great Saints were born on this Earth, in this Void of the Big Primordial Being. And they exist within us, though they are not awakened as yet.
We have had mainly Ten of Them. In India, we can call Them, from a very long time, as Ādināth, who was thousands of year[s] back. I have told you Socrates, Moses, Abraham, then Rāja Janaka. Then we had, later on, Muhammad Sāhab, then Nāṇaka. Then the last, one of Them, was Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth. He was another Primordial Master, a great man.
They are the Incarnations of the One Personality! They said the same thing and same thing and same thing: how to sustain yourself. Their job was not to give you Realization, but to sustain you: to make you capable of your Realization, to make you a proper recipient of God's blessings as realized Souls.
If the pot is not all right, if it has all the holes in it, what's the use of pouring Ganges into it?
So They clogged all the points, and said that, "This should not be done."
But as we have made mess of everything, we have made mess of Them also. All of us! Whether you are English, Indians or this thing doesn't matter. Whether you are Christians, Muslims or a Sikh or anything doesn't matter. All of us have made a mess of Them by just disobeying. We have really disobeyed Them, because we have a freedom to disobey. We have molded Them as we liked!"
1980-0613 Public Program, Something within Us which Makes Us Seek Something Beyond, Stratford, East London, London, UK

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"These Statutes were given by all the Gurus: take Them from Socrates onward, Moses, Abraham, Dattātreya, Janaka, up to, say, Nāṇaka, Muhammad Sāhab, and take up to the point where it was only about hin ... hundred years back, you can say, at the most, was Sāī Nāth.
All of Them have said that: "You have to lead a moral life." None of Them have said that, 'You do not get married,' that, 'You do not talk to your wife,' that, 'You have no relationship with your wife.' All this is nonsensical! "Lead a moral life." "
1980-0727 Guru Pūjā (Guru Pūrṇimā Day), Statutes of the Lord (You Do Not Harm Anyone, The Testimony of the Truth, Develop Detachment, Lead a Moral Life) and Promise that You Will Be a Guru Worthy of Your Mother (Today I Authorize You to Be the Gurus and You Have a Very Supreme Guru), Temple of All Faiths (now demolished, 11c Pond St), Belsize Park, Hampstead, London, UK

"Now, all the Gurus, all the Gurus who came, say from ... we can start from Socrates, then Abraham, Moses, this is the Guru Tattwa, is the Principle of Master, Primordial Masters. The Principle is born again and again. In India we can say the Ādināth [Ṛiṣhabhadeva, first Tīrthaṅkara in Jainism], we had one Ādināth, the Guru long time back. Then we had Dattātreya, we had uh Janaka, Nāṇaka, Sāī Nāth.
We had in the Middle East Muhammad Sāhab, Lao Tze in China, Confucius.
All these Great Principles of Gurus who were born, They had one job to do is to establish your dharma. Their job was not to give you Realization.
You must understand: everyone has one's own job.
See, Mine is a horrible job [laughing:] because I have to do everybody's jobs.
But Their job was just to establish your dharma. They came at that time in those places where it was needed the most.
So, these Ten Principles, as I told you, They established [dharma].
They are created in the Void.
As you see here the Void part, this part is made out of the water element. So, whatever miracles They did, had something to do with water, like They could create water anywhere They wanted to. They would not cure people. All of Them have created water in the desert or in the places where ... like in ... Nāṇaka has created a Pan̄jā Sāhab they call it, or everywhere They have been able to create water. Whatever They touched, They could create water out of it.
Water is the life, life force which sustains us. Without water we cannot live! The is the sustainance [sustenance].
But, They actually are symbolized in an ocean, in the ocean, because They give us the salt, the salt of life, which gives us the sustainance [sustenance]. If you see the salt, if we do not have salt in our body, we'll have no sustainance [sustenance]."
1980-0728 Public Program, The Principle of Guru (Moderation Is the Way We Really Solve the Problem and The Innocence Is in the Center), Sea is the Guru (The Sea Is to Be Worshiped and So Much to Learn from the Sea) and Your Dharma Is the Way Your Attention Is (Dharma Is Balancing), Caxton Hall, 10 Caxton Street, Westminster, London, UK

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"And these Ten Sustainances [Sustenances] are represented by Great Prophets. The Principle is called as Ādi Guru, in Sanskrit language, the Primordial Master. He had incarnated on this Earth as Abraham, Moses, as Lao Tze, as Confucius, as Socrates. Recently, He has been as Sāī Nāth of Śhirḍī, not the other fellow, and other great people have been like Nāṇaka, Janaka.
All these Great Saints can ... came on this Earth to tell us: how to keep in the center, how to keep our sustenance, how to be human beings.
As carbon has got four valances, we too have got ten valances. We have to maintain those ten valances within us! That's what they came to tell us."
1981-0325 Public Program, Cycle 1, Day 2, Mūlādhāra and Swādhiṣhṭhāna Chakras, Maccabean Hall, 146, Darlinghurst Road, Darlinghurst (eastern suburb of Sydney), New South Wales, Australia

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"Moses, Abraham, Confucius, Socrates, Muhammad, Nāṇak, Janak, Lao Tze, these are the Primordial Masters, the Principle of Primordial Masters, the Ādi Gurus, who incarnated on this Earth to teach us how to keep our sustainance [sustenance]. They taught against all alcohols and strong things."
1981-0402 Public Program, Day 1, The Pure Power of Desire or Aim of Seeking, Royal Exhibition Building, Carlton Gardens, 9 Nicholson Street, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

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"I'll tell you one example, a simple example. There was a gentleman from Iran, he was a doctor, he came to see Me. I mean, it is now we cannot contact him because he's in Iran. But he came to see, Me he was a Muslim. And I told him that: "Muhammad Sāhab was born as Nāṇak Sāhab in India." He could not believe it. He said, "How can it be?"
Though Nāṇak Sāhab had said it, in a way, because Nāṇak Sāhab was sleeping, and somebody told Him that, "You are placing Your Feet towards Mecca." He said, "All right, I'll turn My Fee... Feet to's other side," and the Mecca came that side.
He said, "I can't believe it! I can't believe it." I [he] said, "But Muhammad Sāhab has said that He is the last." I said, "I'm not sure of that, but maybe He must have decided to come back, the way people are."
He could not believe it! And he had stomach cancer, which is caused by one of the reasons is fanaticism.
I told him, "You have to believe in Him. He was one of the Incarnations of the Primordial Master and He was the same, Abraham was the same, Moses was the same, Socrates was the same, and you have to believe it." He said, "I can't believe it." I said, "I can't cure you."
Then he went back and he was very sick. His wife said, "Now, what is there? After all, you see, we became Muslims because our parents were Muslims. And they told us that, 'Muhammad Sāhab was the last.' After all you are to be saved."
Then he came and he said, "All right, Mother, whatever You say, I'm going to say." I said, "Now you pray to Nāṇak Sāhab, instead of Muhammad Sāhab, because it is Muhammad Sāhab who is angry with you."
He got cured. He's still living. He got cured.
Is so simple. We can't believe it: it is so fantastic. It is worth seeing yourself with your own eyes."
1981-0814 Public Program, The Scientific Viewpoint, Quaker Meeting House, 40 Bull Street, Birmingham B4 6AF, West Midlands, UK

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"[Pointing down from Viśhuddhi chakra to Nābhī chakra on the Chakra Chart:] The connection is that this seeking [slowly makes three and a half clockwise circles inside the Void around the Nābhī chakra on the Chakra Chart:] goes in developing and there are Ten Principles which are described as the Ten Commandments, you can say, or we have got Ten Sūtras is, in Sanskrit language they are called as Ten Sūtras.
Gāndhījī [laughing:] put one more, by saying that, 'We should use only Indian ... Indian things, not foreign things, because then they will dominate us.' So he put ekādeśha [ekādaśha=eleven], he put one more.
But there are Ten, which are here, which are described as [the] Ten Commandments in the Bible.
And [doing a clockwise bandhan from right top to bottom and to left top inside the Void on the Chakra Chart:] these are the Ten Primordial Masters who were born on this Earth. Say we can start from Socrates, then we can think of other, in India was Dattātreya, is the ... Dattātreya is the essence, and He is born as Socrates, He is born as Lao Tze, He is born as Abraham, as Moses, He is born as, up till now we can say, Muhammad Sāhab, Nāṇaka, latest is the Sāī Nāth of Śhirḍī. He is the One who [pointing with one more circle inside the Void on the Chakra Chart:] represents, They all represent, this Primordial Master's Principle of Religion."
1981-0928 Public Program, Day 5, Christ Church (United Methodist), 524 Park Avenue, Manhattan, New York City, NY, U.S.A.

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"Today I would like to say about this chakra especially that is the ... what we call the Nābhī chakra, is the central path of our evolution where you start your seeking and youge [you] cross over to [the] other side.
Now, surrounding this you will find there is the Ocean of Illusion. And this Ocean of Illusion was governed by a Deity, by a special powerful personality whom we call as Dattātreya – is the Primordial Master. And He incarnated on this Earth many a times. At the time of Christ, and even before that, He incarnated as, say, Abraham, Moses, Socrates, Lao Tze. Later on, He incarnated as Muhammad Sāhab, then the same Great Principle incarnated as Nāṇaka, then the same Principle at the last incarnated as Sāī Nāth of Śhirḍī.
So the same Great Principle of this Primordial Master has incarnated because without a master, how will you be taken away from in ... this illusion? How you are going to be exposed to that reality which you do not feel?
What has to happen to you is that you have to become more sensitive, more open, awakened, enlightened to feel that's All-pervading Power around you.
Now, these [masters] came again and again and told you that you must look after your dharma.
Dharma doesn't mean any religion that is being established in the names of these people, because human beings know how to make a pickle out of everyone. They are great 'experts'.
All of Them in essence are one and the same.
But like flowers on the same tree can be taken away from time to time and then when they become ugly and they become completely spoilt, then people can claim, 'This is my flower,' 'This is my flower.' Everybody has become a contractor of this thing.
Actually these people belong to the whole universe, They are universal beings and They came on this Earth to give us a sustainance [sustenance] within us, a sustainance [sustenance].
Dharma means a sustainance [sustenance], that is we can say, that is quality that is ... that is human."
1981-1015 Public Program, Day 4, Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ, 18480 Nordoff Street, Panorama City (32 kms N-NW of Los Angeles), CA, U.S.A.

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"You will be sursprised [surprised] if I tell you the whole history of the relationship between Them. Between Christ and Kṛiṣhṇa, between Muhammad and Christ and Kṛiṣhṇa, there's a big relationship. They are all related to each other, very closely, which you'll find out in Kuṇḍalinī also. It['s] very interesting how They are related, now They have played the game. And They are all settled down within us, you see: all brother sisters, husband wife, all sorts of relationship They have. Is very interesting to see.
But it is not only a story but you can see it yourself, that They are within you.
To say, say, for example if I say that Muhammad Sāhab was the same as Nāṇak, Guru Nāṇak. Imagine: the Sikhs are breaking the necks of Muslims, and Muslims are breaking the uh-uh-uh heads of uh-uh-uh0uh Sikhs, you see. It's a big quarrel going on. But Nāṇak came after Muhammad to teach Muslim-Hindu unity. Because He was surprised the way Muslims are!
But They are one! They are one personality, born again and again: Moses, Abraham, Socrates, all of Them are the same."
1982-0622 Public Program, You All Have to Become Holy People and Attention Becomes Enlightened (Have I Become a Prophet), Reading, Berkshire, UK

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"In the same way, human beings have ten valences. These are described in the Ten Commandments.
This balancing takes place in this area which is shown with the green color.
This balancing is done by people who incarnate on this Earth as Great Prophets. We can say Abraham, Moses, Socrates, and many other Prophets like these, Muhammad, Nāṇak, Janak, all of Them came on this Earth: They were the Incarnations of the Primordial Master. So took to talk about this balancing. And this balancing They told us, because without the balance there cannot be an ascent.
[Aside:] Gentleman, why are you disturbing everyone?"
1982-0928 Public Program, Day 3, Urania Volkshochschulen, Volksbildungshaus, Uraniastraße 1, Vienna, Austria

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"And that's what one has to do: is to place yourself in such a way, 'Let us see.' Keep your minds open to see: what is the Truth about yourself.
Now this Truth has been told by many Great Sages, by Prophets and many Incarnations who came on Earth. As we know Christ has said about it, Nāṇaka has said about it, Kabīra has said, Lao Tze has said, Buddha has said, everyone has said one thing, which is ... people ... which I should say people neglect and are not bothered about it. And the simple thing is, that: 'You have to have your Second Birth. You have to know your Self. you have to have Self-realization.' This every one of them have said it."
1982-1007 Public Program, Truth Is to Be Achieved, Guild Hall (now Bedford Guild House), 56 Harpur Street, Bedford, Bedfordshire, UK

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"So, to uh establish the balance within us, these people came again and again, these Ten Primordial Beings we saw: some on the left-hand side, some on the right-hand side. It's very symbolic. The whole thing is so wonderful.
So now we can say who They were. From the very beginning, this is Socrates, Moses, Abraham, Lao Tze, we had Muhammad, Nāṇak, Janak, and the last of all was Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth. Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth: the one who lived in Śhirḍī. He is the last Incarnation who came. After Muhammad Nāṇaka came, after Nāṇaka Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth.
All these are the one and the only ... only one Principle of Primordial Master who came, and They all said the same thing.
First of all, They were against alcohols, against any kind of a[n] intoxication.
But say, at the time of Moses they didn't have cigarettes, you see, so He didn't say about cigarettes, naturally. They didn't have. So the people who follow Moses think, 'There's nothing wrong with cigarettes because He didn't say.' But that time there were no cigarettes, you see?
All these sinful things were devised afterwards."
1982-1029 Talk to Sahaja Yogis, Creation, Original Sin, and Incarnations, Manhattan, New York City, NY, U.S.A.

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"Today is the famous, great, Full Moon. Is called as: Śhārada ... Indu. Śhārada Indu.
That's the name of the Goddess also, Śhārada Indu.
Is the Moon on the autumn season. Uh this is the biggest Moon, and the -- of course not in England, but in India -- that day the Moon is-ss giving the greatest light, you see?
And is such a great thing that Guru Nāṇaka was born on such a date.
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Oh ... and this great personality was born in Punjab, where people were unaware of God's ways.
He was, always, bothered about the dharma in all His lives. Because as you know He was the Primal Master. And the Primal Master is always placed in looking after our Void, in sustaining us, and giving us a model of an Ideal Master.
And He always took birth either in the most difficult places like hills and dales and mountains, or They took places-s-s which are even more difficult things, among people who were horrid, and who needed Their help.
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That's how, in those circumstances where there was a quarrel going on between the followers of Muhammad and followers of Hinduism, Muhammad Himself took His birth, on this Earth, though He had decided not to take any more births. He thought that: 'It will solve the problem.'
Though this Incarnation is such that It never dies. Even if They leave the body, They are always around.
And They are the Ones who perform lots of miracles when any other Incarnation comes on this Earth. They help, support, guide that seekers to go to the Incarnations.
So, to celebrate His birthday, on such a date, is also a myth because He never died. He is eternally living: They never grow, and They never die.
But His birth is important, because, symbolically, He came on this Earth not to propagate any particular type of the Void as Muhammad did, or, say, Moses did, David did, Moses and then, before that Abraham, Lao Tze, or Socrates, which followed into a religion. But He came to create amenity ... amity we can say, to create understanding, to create unity between the religions.
This was a very big step for Sahaja Yoga.
After that as you know, He was born again, God knows where, no one knows where He was born, but He appeared as Śhirḍī Sāī Nāth. He too said the same thing: that, "To talk ill of any religion is a sin."
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So, try to gather nourishment. Like reading Devī Māhātmyam, reading about ... finding out about Bible and finding about other Scriptures, about Qur'ān, this, that, and which supports you, which nourishes you. Blake, Kabīr, Nāṇak, I mean there are so many, Lao Tze. This is the Guru: is a knowledge."
1982-1101 Talk to Sahaja Yogis (Śhrī Guru Nāṇaka Jayanti), Every Sahaja Yogi Has to Become a Guru, Nirmala Palace Āśhram, 99 Nightingale Lane, Balham, London SW12 8LZ, UK </p>

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"Now, what people are enamored is that, if they see some people dancing madly, they feel enamored. Is a sign that you have not been able to understand.
We have seen Christ, we have seen Buddha, Mahāvīra, Kabīra, Nāṇaka, we had Lao Tze and so many others. Did They behave like this? Did They become mad? We have got Moses, did He become mad anytime? Was He mad anytime, behaving like a mad person?
All these new theories have started, I think, fifty years back, or about sixty years back, that people believe in these new theories and they have forgotten all the kn... traditional things that have come to us, our heritage. And we depend more on these nonsensical things, which has no moorings at all! Because the people who are supposed to be the founders of all the religions, have never behave like this, and why this new type of things that has started? That people are behaving in this manner, and accepting it to be a very normal thing."
1983-0315 Public Program, Day 1, Maccabean Hall, 146, Darlinghurst Road, Darlinghurst (eastern suburb of Sydney), New South Wales, Australia

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"To think that Moses was separate from Christ is another very big mistake! There's no difference at all!
Christ Himself has said: "Those who are not against Me are with Me." Who are those who are not against Him?
Moses was there on this Earth to cross only this path. It's very symbolic the way He crossed the sea: to show how to cross this path.
He was the Incarnation, one of the Incarnations, of the Primordial Master.
There were Ten Great Incarnations of Primordial Masters. One of them was Moses, Abraham, Lao Tze, Janaka, Nāṇaka. There are ten of Them who were major Incarnations of the same principle. Muhammad.
They are all related to each other. You will be surprised what relation exists between Them. There's no fight, which you learn in your Kuṇḍalinī. They are so integrated and such a concord exists between Them. There's no fight at all.
If there is any fight it is between the evil and the good."
1983-0317 Public Program, Day 3, Maccabean Hall, 146, Darlinghurst Road, Darlinghurst (eastern suburb of Sydney), New South Wales, Australia

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"Now when this center is illumined, around it is illumined your sustainance [sustenance]. That's your Inner Religion.
The ... we call it Ten Incarnations of the Primordial Master. There are many who came, but the Ones who came in India was called as Brahmadeva uh ... was called as Dattātreya, Janaka, Rāja Janaka, the father of Sītā. In China, Lao Tze, Confucius. In uh, in the Bible, Abraham and Moses. And later on, in the uh form of uh Muhammad Sāhab. And then Janaka. No, no, Nāṇaka, I'm sorry, Nāṇaka. Nāṇak Sāhab. And in Greece, it was Socrates. They took birth on all these places. In the end, about fifty years back, or hundred years back, was born Great Primordial Master, in India, in Śhirḍī.
[Helping with the translation:] In Śhirḍī."
1983-0831 Public Program, Day 3, Geneva, Switzerland

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"And Nāṇak Sāhab Himself always talked about Sadguru. You see, because He found out, that people used to talk about Guru like Swāmī Rāmdās and all those talk of Guru, but then He thought: that, 'Is better to call Sadguru and guru [laughing:] as two things.'
Sadguru is the one who has got Realization. And the one who calls himself as a guru without Realization, talks big, 'I, you, I'll give you this,' and, 'I'll give you that,' and just makes a big organization out of that, is not a guru.
So, that is what it is: a person has to be a realized Soul, and he must know all the details about how to do it. "
1983-1101 Public Program, What Is the Purpose of Our Life, Hampstead Town Hall Centre, 213 Haverstock Hill, London NW3 4QP, UK

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"So this kind of a challenge, only a person who is a realized Soul can put it. And all realized Souls will stand by with that person: they'll have the same voice about it. Whether you go to the antiquities or you go in the future, any time a realized Soul will come he said the same thing.
That's why there is so much similarity, s-s... I should say the unity: in all these people whether it is Lao Tze, or whether it is Muhammad Sāhab or whether it is Rāja Janaka or Nāṇaka, They say the same thing."
1984-0710 Public Program, The Experience of Truth, Part IV, Town Hall, Chiswick, London W4, UK

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"Sahaja Yoga is not a new thing. In the tradition of spirituality, it is mentioned, about fourteen thousand years back, by Mārkaṇḍeya, that, 'Ultimately it is the force, within you, of the Holy Ghost, which is called as Kuṇḍalinī, residing in the triangular beau ... bone, has to give the Realization.'
But for that happening, human being had to be prepared. People had to be balanced.
And that is how many Prophets came on this Earth, after that, in the same tradition, to prepare people to have that balance. Right from Abraham, Moses, we see Them, follow Them up up ... up to Rāja Janaka, who was the father-in-law of Rāma, and later on we had so many others like Muhammad Sāhab, Nāṇak Sāhab, on this Earth, to tell us about having a balance in live. They taught us moderation, and not to go to extremes."
1984-0905 Public Program, Day 1, Christian Tradition and Christ, Vienna, Austria

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"Mostly I work in the villages of India. And one day I was going on a bullock cart... uh with a gentleman who is a Sahaja Yogi. And I was amazed: He was talking like a great Saint! He's not educated. He has never seen the world. He lives in a village, but he talks like a Saint.
What university Christ went to? What university Nāṇaka went into? Where do They go to study, Socrates? Nothing! They had all the knowledge within Themselves.
They sometimes ask Me: "Mother, are Your disciples all scholars?" I said, "No, they are very ordinary people."
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"But they are connected with the True Knowledge, which is fantastic. And whatever they want to know, they know it. Because Spirit is connected with the True Source of Knowledge." "
1984-0917 Public Program, La Sala dei Congressi della Provincia di Milano, Via Filippo Corridoni 16, Milan, Lombardy, Italy

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"And that is what is dharma: is the ten valences within us. These ten valances are nothing but dharma, which was preached by all the Great Saints. We can start it from Ādināth, we can say Lao Tze, we can say Confucius, we can say Zoroaster, we can say Muhammad Sāhab, we can say Nāṇak Sāhab, we can say Janaka, we can say the, all of Them are the representation or manifestation of Dattātreya, which we know very well in Maharashtra what is Dattātreya.
But despite all that, we do not know: we'll worship Dattātreya, and we will not follow Him.
This is the only problem we have. That: we have all the ideals, we have all the capacity to understand that this is something great, but we have no power to follow it. Because we are not Samartha, we are not equal to the meaning of a human being."
1984-1205 Public Program (English+Marathi), Day 2, Pune, Maharashtra, India

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"Now, this question follows another question: that if you are the Spirit, [then] you are your own guide, you are own guru, you are your own master. So now you put your right hand on the upper part of your stomach on the left-hand side, which is the center of mastery. This is the center which is created by the Masters, the Great Masters, who are Sadgurus, who are Real Masters, like Abraham, Moses, Janak, Nāṇak, Lao Tze, Muhammad Sāhab. Now, you take this hand little deep, prarsee [press it], push it little deep into that area in the upper part of the abdomen, and ask a question three times, 'Mother, am I my own guide? Am I my own master? Am I my own guru?' Ask in your heart."
1985-0422 Public Program, Day 1, Université Paris Diderot Paris 7, 5 Rue Thomas Mann, Paris, France

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"So the ascent of the Kuṇḍalinī is a living process within you, which works out the Self-realization, the Second Birth as Christ has said, as Muhammad Sāhab has said, "You have to be a Walī," as Lao Tze has said, and Confucius has described. We have Nāṇaka and Janaka who have talked about it. That it is within us, and we have to achieve it within ourselves."
1985-0509 Public Program, Day 2, Habit Comes to You from Matter, Münich, Germany

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Śhrī Mātājī: The knowledge of Kuṇḍalinī is not a new one. It's a very ancient science. It is described in most of the Upaniṣhadas which are the second part of the Vedas, up to the sixth century where it was openly talked about by Śhaṅkara [Śhaṅkarāchārya], ...
Sahaja Yogi translator: Up [to] the ...
Śhrī Mātājī: Sixth century.
... and then by Guru Nāṇaka, Kabīra, all these people have talked about Kuṇḍalinī. Even in the Qur'ān, it is described as 'Asas. In the Bible it is described as the Tree of Life.
1985-0514 Public Program, Day 1, La Sala dei Congressi della Provincia di Milano, Via Filippo Corridoni 16, Milan, Italy

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"And these great people have talked, Nāṇaka has talked very clearly, very recently they have talked about these things. Hundred years back only, William Blake has talked about Sahaja Yoga. He has said, "The men of God" -- Men of God, that's you -- "will become Prophets and they will have powers to make others Prophet."
He had such hopes of making England into Jerusalem.
But where are those English? I have still to meet many."
1985-0920 Public Program, Memorial Hall, City Hall, Sheffield, UK

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"Here [turning and pointing towards the Chakra Chart:] the Guru Tattwa is expressed in the Void, there, where the Ten Gurus actually incarnated basically and they re-incarnated. Say we can start uh-uh from Ādināth. Then we can come to ... other ones, uh-uh-uh ... like Nāṇaka, Janaka. Janaka was-ss much earlier. Then we can say Abraham, Moses-s-s. All these were Guru Tattwa, Socrates. All these were Guru Tattwa people: the people who came as Prophets. The ones who came on this Earth to teach us balance, to teach us the Code of Life.
That was also important part. But that was forgot[ten]!
'Why? Why the code? Why the religion?' Religion is for the ascent, to build you up."
1985-1128 Public Program (Śhrī William Blake's Birthday), Building the New Jerusalem, Hammersmith Town Hall, 1 Riverside Gardens, Hammersmith, London W6 9LE, UK

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"Guru Nāṇaka has said: "Sahaja Samādhi lago." "Sahaja Samādhi lago." He has described Sahaja Samādhi lago, clearly. What more He should say?"
1986-1104 Public Program (English+Hindi), Balance is for Ascent and Everything Emerges into the Ocean of Love of God (Dharma Is only of One Viśhwa Dharm Paramātma and that Dharma Is to Achieve God), Mavlankar Hall, Constitution Club of India, Vithal Bhai Patel House, Rafi Mārg, Sansad Mārg Area, Behind Reserve Bank of India, New Delhi, India

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"Like this, secretly, work was done and it was exhibited very well during the time of Nāṇak Sāheb when Kabīr Dāsjī totally described the Kuṇḍalinī. Can we say , 'Because it was not described in Veda, in Bhakti Purāṇ, what Kabīr had said is wrong'?"
1986-1201 Public Program (Hindi), Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

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"I am not a politician, I am not a business lady, neither am I a very learned lady [some laughter] of some university. I am a simple Saint of this country. And that I should be respected by you all, shows thus the recognition of the Divine, today.
This is e ... is the basis of Sahaja Yoga.
The basis of Sahaja Yoga is: that whatever these Great Saints, like Śhrī Gnyāneśhwara, Nāmadeva, Sant Tukārām, Rāmadās Swāmī, Ekanāth, and so many others, like Nāṇak Sāheb, Kabīr Das, and so many Muslims also, like Nizamuddin, Khwaja Nizamuddin, and Chisti, all these great people have been bien in this country, have been talking about the Divine, they have been saying, "There is the Divine surrounding us," but nobody could recognize them. Because they were not realized Souls.
And this is the reason why Sahaja Yoga had to come to make people self-realized, and they can feel the divine all around you [them]."
1987-1223 Public Program (English + Marathi), Ātmyāche Darśhana (Vision of the Spirit), School, Akole (24 kms WSW of Sangamner), Maharashtra, India

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""Now, the Dharma, all the religion that is established by Great Prophets, starting right from Socrates, then Sei [Sāī] Nāth, Janaka, up to Guru Nāṇaka, you can say that that was just to establish the balance within us. Moses, Abraham, all of Them did that. They all tried to give us the idea of balancing, of temperance within us, for our ultimate purification."
1988-0609 Public Program, Day 2, Kongresshaus, 5, Margaretengürtel 138-140, Vienna, Austria

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"It is very essential for us that we keep a clear head because this could be a [unclear novel] thing for you.
If someone had talked about Kuṇḍalinī two hundred years ago, it would not be a new thing.
In twelfth century A.D., Gyāneśhwara talked about it. Mārkaṇḍeya talked about it, thousands of years ago. Kabīrdas talked about it, the Bible also talks about it, and Nāṇak Sāhab also talked about it.
But no one really thought about it that, 'Is the Truth,' or that there should have been more attention to it."
1990-0206 Public Program (Hindi+English), Day 1, Paramātma ko Jānane ke Lie (To Know God), Hyderabad, Telangana, India

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"Now, so first we put our right hand on our heart. And then we put our right hand in the upper portion of our abdomen where is the center of our mastery. This is created by all the Great Masters. Like Abraham, Moses, Lao Tze, so many of Them who were real Masters, They have created this. Like Guru Nāṇaka, Janaka, all these people have created this great center within us."
1990-0811 Public Program, Canadadeśha, Music Academy, 1270 Chestnut Street, Kitsilano, Vancouver, BC, Canada

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"After that, then later on, so many great Saints, like Guru Nāṇaka, Kabīra, Tukārām, Rāmdās, Narsi Bhagat [Narsinh Mehta, the Ādi Kavi of the Gujarat' poetry], so many people have written about Kuṇḍalinī."
1991-0427 Public Program, Queens Theatre in the Park (now Queens Theatre), Flushing Meadows Corona Park, 14 United Nations Ave S, Queens, New York City, NY, U.S.A.

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"All the Saints have said that, "You have to know your Self." Unless and until you know your Self, the illusion and the ignorance won't go.
If you see in the Chinese, right from Confucius, Lao Tze, all of them have talked about it. For Christians, Christ has said the same thing. For Sikhs, Guru Nāṇaka has the said the same thing, that, "You must seek the Truth." "
1990-1101 Public Program, Day 1, Girls Guide Hall, Brickfields, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

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"After that we had Kabīra, we had Nāṇaka, we had Rāmadāsa, uh we had Tukārāma: we had so many of Saints who have talked about it."
1991-0413 Public Program, Auditorium, National Press Club, 16 National Circuit, Barton, ACT, Australia

"I never read Scriptures, [laughs] I don't think I have to read them because I know them, but I was reading uh the Qur'ān and also the Bible uh from this science, Christian science thing. All other scriptures also. I mean, what they are saying is absolutely true, that you have to be righteous, you have to be above vi[o]lence, you have to be detached. All these things are absolutely the same, no doubt. There's no change. In all these Scriptures they say the same thing. This was said about eight thousand] [8,000] years back by Śhrī Rāma, then by Śhrī Kṛiṣhṇa, then it was said by Socrates, Lao Tze, Abraham. All of Them have said the same thing. Then Muhammad Sāhab said the same thing, Nāṇaka said the same thing."
1992-0221 Public Program, Day 2, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

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"Those who were Saints, in any country, take it Lao Tze, you can take from Socrates onward this side, Muhammad Sāhab, Nāṇak Sāhab, all of these people, you will be amazed to find that all these people behaved in such a manner that we cannot find faults with them. I mean if you want to find, you may with your ignorance. But the kind of life if They led, how is it that They were like that? What was so great? It was Their Divinity which expressed.
While we all have this Divinity within ourselves, we have all these powers within ourselves, only thing: we have to use those powers, we have to manifest them. And for that manifestation, is ... is important that we have to become self-realized, in the sense that you have to get your Second Birth.
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This-s old science is not only from India. It comes from everywhere. As I told you Confucius knew this, Socrates knew this, and, also, many people like William Blake and C.S. Lewis, all these people knew about it.
But nobody could put it through to people because, I think, people did not want to accept it."
1992-0226 Public Program, Christchurch Town Hall (now Christchurch Town Hall of the Performing Arts), 86 Kilmore Street, Christchurch Central City, Christchurch, New Zealand

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"Of course, this is written in ... about, I think, fourteen thousand years back by Mārkaṇḍeya in Sanskrit, but a very difficult Sanskrit language.
Then also Śhaṅkarāchārya at ... when ... at the sixth century.
But this was brought to the public by Gyāneśhwara. But that also was denied.
In the villages of Maharashtra, they all sing Nāmadeva's poem say-ing that, "O Mother, give me the Yoga. Give me the connection with the Divine Power." They are all singing. From ages they have been singing, not knowing what they are singing about.
Then the development came through Guru Nāṇak Sāhab, Kabīr Dās, Rāmdās Swāmī, Tukārām. All these great Saints in ... in this country talked, specially Kabīr Dās and also Nāṇak Sāhib, very clearly they talked about Kuṇḍalinī: very, very clearly.
But still people misunderstood because: there there was no way to know it."
1992-0322 Talk to Sahaja Yogis, Birthday Felicitations Program, the day after Birthday Pūjā, Siri Fort Auditorium, H637+854, August Kranti Marg, Siri Institutional Area, Siri Fort Institutional Area, Siri Fort, New Delhi, India

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"The first wrong idea he [Paul] started was that ... of original sin.
How can it be original sin, when He attended the wedding?
[Repeats for th translator:] How can marriage be an original sin [unclear]?
He attended the wedding! That means, did He want to encourage the original sin‽ 'That means all those who got married have been committing original sins. Śhrī Rāma, Śhrī Kṛiṣhṇa, Muhammad Sāhab, uh-uh-uh Nāṇak Sāhab, Lao Tze, all of Them got married: They were all sinners.' On absolutely wrong premises."
1992-0723 Public Program, Zala Festivalna, 1111 ж.к. Гео Милев, Sofia, Bulgaria

"William Blake, a great poet from England, has said that, "This idea of original sin has been invented by some devil."
According to this [idea], everybody and every Incarnation, like Śhrī Kṛiṣhṇa, Śhrī Rāma, Muhammad Sāhab, Nāṇak Sāhab, Lao Tze, everybody is a sinner!
Such an absurd thing that was put forward, and because it was a very dominating religion, was the official religion behaving like a tyrannical king, people had to accept! Those people who did not believe in it were boiled, were roasted in the huts."
1992-0724 Public Program, Salle Gaveau, 45-47 Rue La Boétie, Paris, France

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"The first thing was the idea of original sin.
William Blake, a great poet, said: that, :This idea has come through the head of some Satan."
According to this theory, 'Everyone of us is a sinner, all the Incarnations like Śhrī Kṛiṣhṇa, Śhrī Rāma, They were sinners. Prophets like Muhammad, Nāṇaka, Lao Tze, all of Them were sinners.'
When this kind of an artificial idea is pushed onto your head, then natural things start coming out, and that's how they took to Freud. That is how Freud became a very great person.
Now, what he has given us e... are according to this book ['Freudian Fraud'] is AIDS, and all kinds of secret diseases which are dangerous."
1992-0726 Public Program, Linz, Austria

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Śhrī Mātājī: [It is] as if the Mahālakṣhmī Principle holds the reins. And you cannot cross the limits: you cannot go too much to the left or to the right.
By this Principle you realize what is wrong with the outside religions. You realize also that inside all the religions are born like flowers on the same of Tree of Spirituality. And automatically you start worshiping all the Prophets, right from Abraham, Moses, Confucius, Lao Tze, Muhammad Sāhab, Nāṇak.
Sahaja Yogi translator: Mh-hm?
Guido Lanza: Confucius, Lao Tze, Nāṇak.
Śhrī Mātājī: You worship Them! It is not that you have respect, but you worship.
And thus you lose the barriers of fundamentalism.
1993-0908 Śhrī Mahālakṣhmī Pūjā, National Palace of Culture (NDK), Boulevard Bulgaria, 1463 NDK, Sofia, Bulgaria

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"This knowledge was known not only in India but in various places. But in India, they had mastered this knowledge.
Uh-uh but only thing was that in tradition: one guru used to give Realization to one disciple in his lifetime.
This uh-huhh ... lasted for out tuh [the] twelfth century, when One of them published in His book, Gyāneśhwara, He published in His book, in the sixth chapter, about Kuṇḍalinī.
It's a-uh-uh ... we can say, an a... exposition of the Gītā. But this ... uh, you see, this Gītā which was written, not by Śhrī Kṛiṣhṇa, Vyāsa, He wrote what you have to become. Just like what Christ said. Just uh-uh-uh just like what Qur'ān says.
So, when everybody said the same thing, it was never told how to achieve it. That is how this knowledge was not given.
Till the sixteenth century, [when] in India we had lots of great Saints. Like Guru Nāṇaka, Kabīra, Nāmadeva, so many of them. In Maharashtra like Rāmadāsa, Tukārām. They, also, said: that, 'Is the Kuṇḍalinī which gives you Realization' -- clearly.
But people didn't give any attention to it.
Like Kabīra has said that: "How am I to make them understand when the whole world is blind?" "
1994-0730 Public Program, Anantara Grand Hotel Krasnopolsky Amsterdam, Dam 9, 1012 JS Amsterdam, Netherlands

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"So, but I would say, after that, many Great Saints like Guru Nāṇak, Kabīr, Tukārāma, Rā... uh Rāmdās, in the sixteenth century, did a great work of Kuṇḍalinī.
Even in the Bible it is: "I will appear before you like tongues of flames [fire]" [related to 'The Acts of the Apostles', Acts, 2.3, New International Version], "Tree of Life," so many things are described!
But in the little time that they had, they could not explain so much."
1993-1011 Interview with Audrey Hope for the TV Talk Show 'Real Women', What Is the Hope for a Stable Society, Part 1, Century Cable Studios, 513 Wilshire Blvd, Suite 336, Santa Monica, CA, U.S.A.

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"So the approach is different.
In one way, if you start going through science, through this, through that, you cannot reach anywhere. And moreover, your growth is stunted.
So, what you have to do is to go to this knowledge through believing in what They have said. Whatever Christ has said you have to believe, whatever Muhammad has said you have to believe, whatever Guru Nāṇak has said you have to believe, whatever Gyānadeva has said you have to believe, Lao Tze you have to believe. Like that: because you are not of that spiritual level. So accept it."</font>
1998-1216 Talk to Sahaja Yogis (Hindi + English + Hindi), Expression of Subtle Elements, before and during the Evening Program, Bharat Scouts Ground and Guides Marg, Nizamuddin, National Zoological Park, Sundar Nagar, New Delhi, India

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"About Kuṇḍalinī, many people knew It long time back.
I must say, there was Mārkaṇḍeya, who was thirteen thousand years back, He has talked about Kuṇḍalinī.
Ādi Śhaṅkarāchārya has talked about Kuṇḍalinī.
And later, am I ... I must say, they were at least sixteen to seventeen Great Saints, seventeen, who have talked about Kuṇḍalinī in the twelve ... in the sixteenth century.
One of them was Guru Nāṇak, who has clearly said: that, "You have to seek it within."
And Kabīr, who is also included in the Grantha Sāhab, has said, [laughing:] that: "It is the Kuṇḍalinī that can give it."
All of Them have said the same thing."
2000-0926 Public Program, Day 1, Royal Albert Hall, Kensington Gore, London SW7, UK